Thank you, this thread is reatarded.

If anyone can find out the number of F/I kits sold from each manufacture, this thread would be really usefull. I am too lazy to do so.

 

I think the poll is bull $hit . Go ask the guys that responded in the FI Kit thread . . Where it shows every ones name and the kit they have . Poll tham and you might get a better idea . And you can't stress enough , that it isnt the kit..its the guy tuning and the guy driving the car that blew the motor . It like saying guns kill people , not the guy shooting it


There are 35 to 40 guys with Greddy kits [F/I kit thread ] ....33 blew motors...ummm...I dont think so

 

You guys already know that I don't agree with this poll, you can see that from a few different posts i've made in this thread alone.

Just like when someone is flaming and *****ing without having in a clue, in a thread/poll that we do like, we are starting to do that in this thread/poll and it is going to be counter productive.

I don't know if it's at least possible to get this topic closed, so that they can respect the rights of the people that have contributed to it, and hopefully end it there.

So who here knows the mods/admins these days and what can they do about this.

There is a very simple reason why this should be done.

This poll/thread will contribute more to misinformation, and misdirection, in every aspect and consideration.

That statement does the job for all concerned.

Can someone take the action I suggested?

 

i have stillen stage 3 Sc , (also jwt popcharger, stillen exhaust and stillen flywheel and act clutch) been driving and racing with it almost everyday , i put on 15K with sc and so far no problems at all, not even a drop of oil consumption or a drop of water, no overheating , no problems...

 

Gents,

Here is a thought:

At one time, I asked a Stillen salesman how many blower kits they had sold when visiting their facility. He indicated over 350 at the time, which BTW was over a year ago. Can't determine if his number was true, yet, you can determine based upon the original FI poll Cheston started, at least 350 kits sold at Stillen and less than 10 responses from the FI poll is certainly a discrepancy.

Just keep in mind that most people who have mods aren't active on boards. There are 1000s of visitors to this forum and only 100s of hardcore and consistent participants. I for one have had 2 Stillen SC on a G and a Z, a SFR kit on my Roadster, and numerous JWTs on my VRT built Z and Gs.

And look, I have less than 50 posts. I am such a "Post *****." LOL. So that said, there are a lot of people not getting involved to have any accuracy in these polls regardless if Greddy has sold more than Stillen. Just tells me there are more Greddy clients active on this board.

Keep that in mind when reading these polls and stats.

What I can absolutely say is, Even "YOU CAN BLOW YOUR MOTOR" - Today and at anytime. For the most part, the more boost, the more complicated the tune must be required. Nothing is simple so if there aren't many Stillen or blower failures per this or any other poll, it's because of the lack of involvement from their clients AND even bigger - Lack of boost and low net WHP/torque their kits create.

They are sold to be safe.

All of us with higher WHP/Torque ambitions, and some with Boost Happy Controller Addictions (BHCA), Well - we have to think that failure is POSSIBLE with ANY KIT - ANY DAY - AND AT ANY TIME.

If the car is running lean, an injector clogged, an oil pump fails, plug loses spark, it is too hot at Willow or Cal. Speedway in the summer at the track day, your car is detonating with a Stillen blower under a 3000 rpm load like Vison619, or whatever.

EVEN You can blow a motor with any of these kits. Any day and anytime.

Even NA, if the 91 octane you get from Shell down at the corner is dirty and is really only 87 octane. Yes, this happens more often than you think. Sorry, gas station’s bad? No. Just reality and you anf your motor pays for it.

A blown motor can happen and it can happen to any of us. EVEN YOU at ANYTIME.

My $.02

Happy New Year

Michael
VRT

www.ViolentRacing.com

 

+1

Stage 3 Stillen blew my engine. Out of the box was detonating severly on a load at and around 3,000rpm. When I found out, I ordered a new FTC from split second so I COULD CHANGE THE MAPS! While waiting for it to get here .... KABOOM!

 

If you think that some "bad gas" is going to blow up or even damage a stock Z's motor, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Ever heard of a knock sensor? Factory engine control systems are FAR more advanced that the simple little piggyback computers that we stick on our car with boost. A stock Z's computer knows how to handle changing weather conditions and bad gas. The small amount of knock that might occur for a split second before the stock ECU pulls timing significantly as a result of some bad gas will NOT blow up a motor.

I supposed saying anything could happen at anytime is true, yet I don't understand why you would have to actually state that. It's pretty much common knowledge.

 

That's wierd cause it happened to me. 100 feet from the gas station I immediately heard detonation as soon as my car went into boost. I didn't know what could have caused that until I was talking to a Nismo Engineer who mentioned it. Had to drive without going into boost through that entire tank. I suppose if your engine/kit is tuned to edge, anything is possible.

If the cars ECU is so powerful and simply would yank timing at any sign of danger, why do any engines blow up? I'm not saying 1 TANK of 87 octane will destroy an enigine, and I don't even think mraturbo is saying that. But it can definately cause Detonation and I know that for a FACT.

 

Detonation is at any level at any time is "bad".

Bad Gas can cause detonation.

Problems with the motor/ignition or anything contributing to combusition can
lead to detonation.

You could have a "bad day" and have detonation.

A Knock Sensor, or Other device to detect/react to detonation, is used to reduce the chance of damage caused by detonation.

This is not 100% bullet proof, but it "usually" takes care of "most" problems entirely, but the more peformance you have/use, when detonation occurs, the greater chance that damaging detonation can occur regardless of performance, or gas, or whatever reason, more frequent/rapid or larger detonation, the more chance it has to cause damage.

Anyone could have detonation, and any detonation can destroy your engine, for whatever reason the detonation occured.

This is one of those things that "just happens" but doesn't happen often.

 

Since when does a STOCK 350Z come with forced induction? Why don't you read the part of his post that I quoted, read my response and then make an statment that is actually on topic.

 

I rarely respond this way but I feel compeled this evening.

You are quite obviously someone who knows just enough to be dangerous on these boards. Be careful when you give advice, especially when speaking with such confidence as you do. People tend to listen. I don't care if you have 10 or 10,000 posts. I have read some of yours and you are somewhat mis-informed about quite a few things and giving bad advice. I have also noticed you get quite defensive when backed into a corner. "On Topic" you say? Is not the topic of this thread "Blown Engines"?

 

Great response! Why don't you further change the subject to be about me instead about what I quoted and responded to.

Do you really think I care what YOU think about me or what I have to say? I think you are mis-informed just as much as you think that I am. What now?

Why don't you go +1000 some more of the VRT guy's posts, and stop making useless, discombobulated posts that don't even correctly respond to a statment that was made.

Happy New Year!

 

Vision619 & Michael.... now you know why some of my posts are the way they are.

I was thinking of you when I wrote the "small" post the I wrote and I actually had it down to about 4 sentences.... but then I realized that wasn't going to cut it, so I had to take care of that.

Because of the fact that I'd like to look out for our Z Bretheren, I make sure my posts are either "for fun" or "purposefully informative" if only to tell you "this may or may not be accurate, but do more homework".....

As I said before, good lookin out for members and customers alike

 

BriGuyMax... we don't know each other, so I hope you don't care about what I think either but from the post you made in reply to Vision619, your post was actually off base and without merit.

In his post, there is nothing said about Z's coming with F.I. (unless there was a post elsewhere that I haven't seen yet, but I promise I will go look for it and correct myself if I find it)

This topic is about blown engines, and the focus is F.I., and in both cases Vision619's response is correct, valid, and on topic, whereas yours is not, in the least and this is not an interpretation or perception type issue (that is unless there is another post that I need to find and I will if it exists and I will come back and correct myself if that is the case)

I also noticed you took some additional effort and chose to use prodigious wording/language to try and further get a rise outta Vision619, which I gotta tell you was a great flaming tactic, and I do hope that he doesn't react to it, but we'll see because if he does that will just further the cause of burying this topic.

By the way I used the same tactic, but I'm not looking to get a rise outta you, I just figured you liked egregious words.

I'm sure I'm is going to get a lovely response from you, from me posting this, and I also do not get into
flame wars or anything, but since this thread literally has no real value , whatsoever, for me to fill this up with flames and would be better than letting this thread go any further.

For your information, this is nothing personal, it's nothing serious, and there really shouldn't be a problem with what I posted, or what Vision619 posted, or what is inevitably going to come out of this.... I'm certain that I am no longer welcome in IL or perhaps your going to come to CA and show me a thing or two.....

Thank you for being a premiere member of my350z.com and have a nice day!

Oh ya.... you might want to try reading this:


Detonation at any level at any time is "bad".

Bad Gas can cause detonation.

Problems with the motor/ignition or anything contributing to combusition can
lead to detonation.

You could have a "bad day" and have detonation.

A Knock Sensor, or Other device to detect/react to detonation, is used to reduce the chance of damage caused by detonation.

This is not 100% bullet proof, but it "usually" takes care of "most" problems entirely, but the more peformance you have/use, when detonation occurs, the greater chance that damaging detonation can occur regardless of performance, or gas, or whatever reason, more frequent/rapid or larger detonation, the more chance it has to cause damage.

Anyone could have detonation, and any detonation can destroy your engine, for whatever reason the detonation occured.

This is one of those things that "just happens" but doesn't happen often.

 

I'll lay it down really nice and simple so everyone can understand.

mraturbo stated this:
He seems to think that some bad gas that has slighly lower octane than is called for in the manual will cause an N/A VQ to detonate and possibly blow up, which is completely not true. If that was true you'd have blown stock motors left and right. I was speaking only about an N/A VQ, not a boosted one. I know perfectly well that this is a "blown motor on boost" thread and I'm not the one who made a comment about an N/A motor possibly detonating, mraturbo did.

Vision619 obviously didn't do a very good job of READING the post that I quoted and my response because I was clearly speaking of N/A VQ motors before he made this comment:

Then when I told him to go back and READ what was posted since his response wasn't even valid to the topic that mraturbo presented he resorted to attacking me personally rather than admit that maybe he didn't read the post right.

My questioning about stock Z's and FI was just a sly way to tell him that he should go back and read what I posted before making a comment about his BOOSTED Z in response to my comment about N/A Zs...

You were saying something about my post being off base and having no merit?

 

I don't see anywhere in mine or mraturbo's post where it says bad gas, or even lower octane gas will blow up a stock engine? Am I missing something. Why do you keep saying things like:

"He seems to think that some bad gas that has slighly lower octane than is called for in the manual will cause an N/A VQ to detonate and possibly blow up"

Please do not mis-quote me.

Thanks!

 

Why dont I just close this thread then!