[QUOTE=350zDCalb]What do they charge for just the ecu timing reflash for boosted applications?

 

little over $600...

 

Ouch.....I guess the turbonetics engine management solution might not be too bad after all.

 

Does technosquare not know why the advanced map comes into play??

 

I don't know.. I haven't been dealing with technosquare

 

you couldnt pay me to put the greddy kit on my car, damn that thing should be taken off the market. now that i say that my aps kit will blow mine.

 

come on now... the safety of the greddy kit has been discussed to death in the past...

this is not the fault of the greddy kit...

a few guys out there have discovered block temp/cooling issues...would you think an APS kit would magically solve this problem?

australian fairy dust isn't gonna work this time... the problems occuring now are those that deal with the workings of the ecu, strength of the block/motor design...all things that will exist on a NA motor that has been force fed two turbos...


i agree with you that greddy should not advertise the kit being safe without at least addressing timing,..that should be a included part of the kit!..at the time the greddy kit came out...these issues were not know...now they can rectify their negligence

 

Who has re-flashed your ecu? PM me if necessary...I am curious.

 

as noted earlier
through alteredatmosphere

 

Silver lining, if something is going to go in the short block, what better than the rings?

GL with your rebuild! Sounds like you've had quite an adventure so far...

 

that's what i'm saying!!! gotta stay positive..could have been worse...

adventure...yah, you could call it that

 

give me a break. aps kits have yet to even exceed 12 psi...

not only this, but todd was at the HP level that is uncharted lands... there is more going on here then i think you understand... i know of some things that not even your APS kit is addressing that will need to be changed before a reliable 500+ rwhp can be expected under heavy abuse.

Todd may not own a shop, but the information gathered from his misfortune helps the real 350z tuners put it all into place. It only reinforces current speculation to some issues that are in need of concern.

If todds built engine blew at the greddy baseline boost of 5.5 psi using the baseline greddy tune, then we could point a finger at the turbo kit... but there is nothing greddy about the way his car was built or tuned anymore. When you build your engine, run a custom fuel system, run custom engine management solution, and a completely custom tune... i think your ability to blame the turbokit manufacturer is a little expired.

the greddy turbokit is questionably safe out of the box, and i would recommend it only to be installed and tuned by a tuner... the aps kit is superior in completeness in its out of the box solution, and if you dont have the abilities to properly install and compliment a tuner style kit like the greddy system, then the APS kit is the clear solution. however some of us are in positions where the APS kit would only be holding us back.

 

i am still laughing from this graphic...too appropriate

 

Please expand on this comment - do you mean for circuit racing or street use?

Peter

 

if the block gets so hot that the pistons melt...you could be driving miss daisy for all that it matters...
PETER:
what have you guys discovered with the cooling capacity of this block? any issues?

 

Peter, I am sure you understand that I dont really want to comment on my findings/theories/potential solutions until I am very sure of my concerns and fixes... however I did not post that at all to say that there is something wrong with your turbo kit... you know if I had something to say about that I would jump right to it, but thats not the case. The APS kit has gone above and beyond where other kit manufacturers have gone, and no matter how many arguements you and I get in, how could I possibly argue that?

Keep up the good work! I am sure you guys will have everything addressed with your high HP fuel system / actuator / etc kit that you will be releasing. My current research is independant of what is expected of any turbo kit manufacturer (as it has nothing to do with the turbo system), and when I have it all figured out I will gladly share the information with you and everyone else.

I have been getting a lot of hands on experience with 350z's that are exceeding 500rwhp, and I have been noticing a few things, and I am not the only one.

 

That's fine Charles and I'd be more than happy to be left out of these threads about engine failures and greddy systems - you made a comment pertaining to APS product so I thought I'd ask what the issue was.

Thanks and APS will certainly do our best to further enhance our turbo system products - I'm sure you will be interested to see the new big HP APS Z products over the coming months.

Not sure what you're referring to here though the base APS twin turbo system can easily support 500 WHP with just APS test pipes, APS TD 2.5 inch exhaust and additional computer tuning - if you have something to say pertaining to engine reliability or any other issue past this power level then by all means let me know.

Thanks

Peter

 

I don't know too much about these motors, but it would help out if you did tell us some of your findings that way we can be cautious before we go head over heels spending money on a non-reliable motor. I am trying to figure out how to build mine right now and have been reading all the arguments about these blown motors. I am thinking of going greddy even through most people think it is suicide. I just can't see how with a good tune and reflash and a fully built motor with a good fuel system someone can't get to 600wrhp without any problems. Do we need extra cooling for this motor? What heats up to melt the pistons? I just don't want to spend thousands on things people already know from experience. I know you have spent alot of money on research, and I am sorry you have spent so much money on these problems but it helps out your business with customers and makes them trust you over the other guys.

 

woah phunk!, didnt mean to ruffle any feathers, i just said that was my opinion and it in no way was meant to start a debate on this turbo kit vs that. ive just noticed all too frequently the "blown my engine.. again" and most of those threads all involve the greddy kit. not saying that is the cause, but when it comes down to it, its 99% of the cause. whether it be faulty tuning, driver error, faulty equipment, or whatever it should be more forgiving. that kit is too, unstable, for lack of a better term, to me to ever consider it reliable. i know with more upgrades it is reliable. i saw several kits being sold for almost nothing, but refrained from buying it because of the issues associated with the kit. now there are guys that are running it and have been for a while, you and sharif, have had the kit long term and have driven it hard, but you two are quite the car enthusiasts and know what the kit needs to be safe.

and most people like myself want a system that is safe and reliable on a stock block and arent looking to ever reach the 500hp (do you mean crank or wheel?) either way.

i had a vortech for about 10000 miles, i installed it and dogged the crap out of it, with upgraded pulleys, tune was mediocre at best, tuned by me, (yeah right) and my dyno guy who had never seen the split second software, yet i hit the rev limiter almost daily and never looked at my AF guage,(cause its a crappy one), i liked the kit because i felt safe with it and trusted the package as a whole. i regret selling it.

now that ive sold the vortech and bought the aps single kit, i hope i dont eat these words.

sorry for your misfortune and good luck with the rebuild.

 

no problem, didnt mean to sound harsh or defensive if i did... its just the way i talk!