Does anyone know exactly what comes with the vortech tuner kit??? I plan on buying the vortech kit within the next couple months and not totally sure on what I should go with…this what I was thinking about doing

Vortech (tuner kit) w/8lbs pulley
380cc or 440cc injectors
AAM or Phunks complete fuel return line (whats the difference between them)
Walbro 255
ECU Re-flashed (Dyno tuned by AAM)
Phunks CAS Wire
1-Step Colder plugs
Possible a bigger oil pan & oil cooler (is this necessary?)

also I will be installing Xerd long tube headers, crawford plenum & JIC y-pipe

Anything else I’m missing that I should add to the list? this is going to be my daily driver so it needs to be as reliable as possible

 

A/F wideband.
Colder Plugs.
Engine management(Yes I noticed the dyno tuned reflash, but in case you are planning on doing any other upgrades afterwards).
Dyno run after all installs.

 

dont plan on doing anymore upgrades after its tuned thats why I want everyones opinion on what I should add to the list so I get it all done at once

 

I would recommend you get a plenum or spacer and also upgrade the pulley to the 3.12 (9lb) or 2.87 (10lb). I ran the 3.12 with no problems and my best dyno was 380whp. I would go with the 2.87 and the 440cc injectors and you can get just a little over 400whp. With the s/c I believe this is safe because they don't put out as much tq as the turbo kits. Also they are a bunch of guys running the 2.87 with no problems. Might as well get all the upgrades now....power is addicting and you will want more. Max it out from the begining.
Just my $0.02.

 

where can i buy the 3.12 pulley? and 440cc injectors?

how much are they?

 

You can get the pulley directly from Vortech for like $70. You need the 6 rib 3.12.You will also need a new belt. You can go with the gates 93". I got it from Napa for $38...p/n 25-060930.

Try www.forgedinternals.com for you injectors. There $530 shipped. You will need 6 clips in addition to the injectors. The clips are $65 for all six. Sharif can get you those also.

 

I have a set of used RC 440cc injectors from the GReddy turbo kit for sale later this week. Got them when I was planning on getting the Vortech w/ all the upgrades like NismoGCoupe. But then now I decided to go with the Turbonetics which already comes with the 380cc, I wont be needing them anymore. I will post a for sale classified thread before Friday.

 

Yeah I'm trying to decide on the tuner kit versus the base kit too. I would very much like to go with the 2.87 pulley but the tuner kit does not come with the SS box which means going eManage (a reflash alone isnt in my plan since I am sure I will change things up). I'm a little unsure of the eManage as the shops around here say it is a little quirky.

is the 3.12 pulley the stock pulley or is there a lighter one that comes with the base kit?

Also can you do the base kit + the 3.12 pulley without the injectors and just tune it with the SS box? I am assuming that the 2.87 pulley requires the injectors and fuel pump + a reflash or eManage. Is that right?

 

The stock come with 3.33 which is 8lbs.

Yes you can do the 3.12 with out injectors and just the ss box. I believe I have read the guys on here with the 2.87 do it with no injectors and the ss box...probably maxing out your OEM injectors at that point.

If you go with the 2.87, 440cc, and ss box, I believe you can tune for the injectors with the ss box. From what I read if you go the 550's it is to much to scale them with the ss box but 440's should be good. You may want to pm booger. He knows alot about the ss box.

 

I believe you can scale the 550's with the SS box . Im finding out the SS box is a good tuning management system , easy to tune once you find out how . Go to thier web site and down load the file . U-TUNE.....It will show you how to do it . If you have seen a fuel map . You have a vacuum side and a boost side . When scaling the injectors , you just fill all the vacuum side of the map with the same numbers . Mine for the 550's...was...9.2 . The cars ECU will handle it afterwards
John Isbel from Grubb's Infiniti did it with no problem . My problem was with wiring of my datalogger . I thought it was the injectors and or the cams . So I flashed the ECU for the injectors
If your thinking of the tuner kit . I would go with the return fuel and pump .

 

so it sounds like it is worth getting the SS box and since it doesnt come with the tuner kit I will probably go with the base kit. If I go with the 2.87 pulley then I will also do 440 injectors and a Walbro fuel pump.
No fuel return system necessary with that setup right?
Eventually I will get an ecu reflash but not until I add a plenum.

 

A lot of people say it is questionable for the fuel return at those power levels. The good news is that their are quite a few people running the vortech at close to 400whp without a fuel return and no problems. You can always go for it just for the extra pace of mind. You are only looking at $1700 or the fuel sytem ($999), fuel pump ($99), new pulley ($70), and injectors ($530). I believe I saw a return system for sale in the classifieds for $700 which is $300 off the going prices.

Why would you get a reflash if you are going to use the SS box? I would just get the plenum at the same time as everything else and then get it tuned with the SS box. You won't have to touch it ever again.

 

Not until I do cams or whatever comes up next!

Actually you are right. I should do the plenum at the same time but I have not decided on which plenum to get yet and of course there is always the $ thing. Might leave the injectors and 2.87 pulley until the next go round with the plenum and maybe a fuel return system. Other than cams there wont be much left for me to do anyhow.

So maybe base kit + 3.12 pulley for now + oil pan spacer (to tap) + CAS wire. Anything I missed?

 

You can actually call Split Second hand have them custom make a box for $600.00 .It comes with the kit and can datalog . RPM, Boost , fuel delivery , and timing . But you can have them add A/F and you wouldnt need any thing else for logging
If you dont go with the full kit , does the tuner kit come with a aux. fuel pump and FMU ? You would need that if not going with the return system

 

The tuner kit does not include the fuel pump or SS box. To do it yourself and add injectors, fuel pump, and SS box for around $1200 plus the pulley. Thats not too bad. Do I have that right or did I msis something?
The tuner kit is around $3550 I believe. Just wondering if there is anything else that I would need that comes with the base kit but not with the tuner kit. Seesaw...

 

Ahhhh IC. This is why I sold my vortech and bought a TT. I always want more and if you just keep buying all the extras for the s/c they come out just as expensive as the TT, but with the TT you have more power at your finger tips.

If you are low on cash, I would go with the vortech kit, 2.87 pulley, a plenum, CAS, and a good tune. Then save up for the fuel system, injectors, and the cams and do them all at once.

As far as the oil pan spacer I know some people are running them but I read where it is not good to tap the spacer. I bought the spacer and my installer would not install it because of how the vortech instructions said to tap the pan. You may want consider an APS oil pan for only $250 more than the spacer.

 

how much is the APS oil pan and how much more oil does it hold? if I were to go with aps oil pan it comes pre-taped right?

 

The only thing the tuner kit brings is the piping, blower, intercooler, and mounting brackets.

 

Uggh! I really dont want to have the TT vs. SC discussion again. I have my reasons for wanting to go this route for now. My comment was more about modding never being over than about being short on cash.
But yeah I will consider a replacement oil pan as opposed to the spacer. Curious as to the drawbakcs of the spacer (will research). Just wanted to make sure I had everything right so I can decide whether to go with the tuner kit and/or the 2.87 pulley etc.

 

Relax I don't want to have that discussion either....I was just saying that's why I switched.

I didn't understand the whole reason behind not tapping the spacer so I can't explain it. Looks like you got everything though. Good Luck!