Turbonetics Stage 1.5...for those that wanted a piggyback and bigger injectors..
04-17-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DXB350Z
man...stage 1.5 seems to be the one for me...unichip(dealer is available localy)...fuel return for safe operatoins...and 630 injectors...a bit of overkill for my power goals..but what the heck..more is bettr than short...
MIA..what modifications would you reccomend that i wouldnt have to loose once i go FI...what diameter exhaust and so? and how does the motordyne+ get along with TN?
thanks for the info btw...
and taurran...goodluck with your build
MIA..what modifications would you reccomend that i wouldnt have to loose once i go FI...what diameter exhaust and so? and how does the motordyne+ get along with TN?
thanks for the info btw...
and taurran...goodluck with your build
Stage 2 is supposed to be the real power upgrade = big azz Turbo, WG/BOV upgrades, water/meth injection.
I dont mind building the motor either, may do that in the fall/winter anyhow but Im just not sure I want to run huge boost and I know I don't want to be among the first!
04-17-2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
From what I understand about stage 1.5 its not gonna gain you more power necessarily...its an EMS, larger injectors, and fuel system. I'm already there + spacer.
Stage 2 is supposed to be the real power upgrade = big azz Turbo, WG/BOV upgrades, water/meth injection.
I dont mind building the motor either, may do that in the fall/winter anyhow but Im just not sure I want to run huge boost and I know I don't want to be among the first!
Stage 2 is supposed to be the real power upgrade = big azz Turbo, WG/BOV upgrades, water/meth injection.
I dont mind building the motor either, may do that in the fall/winter anyhow but Im just not sure I want to run huge boost and I know I don't want to be among the first!
04-17-2006, 02:18 PM
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yeah..i hear you...
anyways..my power goals arent much...400whp and trq will do..
but the idea of buying a kit thats disgned to work together appeals to me more than picking and matching..
anyways..my power goals arent much...400whp and trq will do..
but the idea of buying a kit thats disgned to work together appeals to me more than picking and matching..
04-17-2006, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Well essentially yes Stage 1.5 will increase power as far as the user in comfortable in going. Stage 1 would only get you to low 400s where as Stage 1.5 will take you as far as the stock motor will go..
04-17-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Well essentially yes Stage 1.5 will increase power as far as the user in comfortable in going. Stage 1 would only get you to low 400s where as Stage 1.5 will take you as far as the stock motor will go..
Maybe my exhaust is too restrictive or my motor is wimpy, I dunno but there were not big gains to be had with my car.
anyways..my power goals arent much...400whp and trq will do..
but the idea of buying a kit thats disgned to work together appeals to me more than picking and matching..
but the idea of buying a kit thats disgned to work together appeals to me more than picking and matching..
Also, yes you can order a 5psi WG spring from any TN dealer. I did.
04-17-2006, 04:18 PM
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I am below 400whp!
I have not had the car on a dynoJet yet but I was somewhere around 365-375 originally (at 10psi+). I am somewhere right around there now too (at 9psi) but we had to stop because the car was getting overly hot. I have to go back for some tweaks (primarily the boost ramp rate) and I will have the timing advance checked to see if we can squeeze anything more out of it. I dunno how people get these 400-450hp numbers though.
I have not had the car on a dynoJet yet but I was somewhere around 365-375 originally (at 10psi+). I am somewhere right around there now too (at 9psi) but we had to stop because the car was getting overly hot. I have to go back for some tweaks (primarily the boost ramp rate) and I will have the timing advance checked to see if we can squeeze anything more out of it. I dunno how people get these 400-450hp numbers though.
04-17-2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
I am below 400whp!
I have not had the car on a dynoJet yet but I was somewhere around 365-375 originally (at 10psi+). I am somewhere right around there now too (at 9psi) but we had to stop because the car was getting overly hot. I have to go back for some tweaks (primarily the boost ramp rate) and I will have the timing advance checked to see if we can squeeze anything more out of it. I dunno how people get these 400-450hp numbers though.
I have not had the car on a dynoJet yet but I was somewhere around 365-375 originally (at 10psi+). I am somewhere right around there now too (at 9psi) but we had to stop because the car was getting overly hot. I have to go back for some tweaks (primarily the boost ramp rate) and I will have the timing advance checked to see if we can squeeze anything more out of it. I dunno how people get these 400-450hp numbers though.
04-17-2006, 04:26 PM
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Yeah, the numbers are discouraging but I don;t get too caught up in that. I am sure a DynoJet will return much better numbers. However, the fact that the numbers did not change much does say that there was not much to be gained in my tune over the flash AND that I am limited by something else (not fuel related). Whether that is the Turbo, the engine, or the exhaust I do not yet know. That is why I say that stage 1.5 is not necessarily a power upgrade like the stage 2. Of course, a good fuel return and EMS are great investments regardless of which direction you end up going (as long as it is UP).
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
Yeah, the numbers are discouraging but I don;t get too caught up in that. I am sure a DynoJet will return much better numbers. However, the fact that the numbers did not change much does say that there was not much to be gained in my tune over the flash AND that I am limited by something else (not fuel related). Whether that is the Turbo, the engine, or the exhaust I do not yet know. That is why I say that stage 1.5 is not necessarily a power upgrade like the stage 2. Of course, a good fuel return and EMS are great investments regardless of which direction you end up going (as long as it is UP).
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Well its totally different! The power keeps rising to redline now whereas before it was dropping off. I dont know if that is due to the spacer or what?
But the boost ramp is hurting me. Its way too conservative. When I get that fixed I expect to get more area under the curve, especially down low.
But the boost ramp is hurting me. Its way too conservative. When I get that fixed I expect to get more area under the curve, especially down low.
04-17-2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
Well its totally different! The power keeps rising to redline now whereas before it was dropping off. I dont know if that is due to the spacer or what?
But the boost ramp is hurting me. Its way too conservative. When I get that fixed I expect to get more area under the curve, especially down low.
But the boost ramp is hurting me. Its way too conservative. When I get that fixed I expect to get more area under the curve, especially down low.
04-17-2006, 04:41 PM
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LOL, actually I believe I have gained a slight amount of peak power but lost important area under the curve due to the boost ramp rate. I am hoping to get that back by adjusting the ramp rate. But gains are minimal. The tune is much more balanced now though.
04-17-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
LOL, actually I believe I have gained a slight amount of peak power but lost important area under the curve due to the boost ramp rate. I am hoping to get that back by adjusting the ramp rate. But gains are minimal. The tune is much more balanced now though.
04-17-2006, 04:57 PM
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Holy Hijack!
It is set for 9psi and is dead on. The issue is how the BCS is controlled. The rate at which it is allowing boost to build is too linear. The ramp rate allows you to control that boost curve. In theory it should be able to blast it up with a slight bump and then flatten out to the desired boost.
So I do not have that slam you back in the seat spool up anymore (for now). Thats good for traction but I miss the feeling We just need to tweak the value.
Unfortunatley I did not grab a dyno sheet. The graph is worth a thousand words!
It is set for 9psi and is dead on. The issue is how the BCS is controlled. The rate at which it is allowing boost to build is too linear. The ramp rate allows you to control that boost curve. In theory it should be able to blast it up with a slight bump and then flatten out to the desired boost.
So I do not have that slam you back in the seat spool up anymore (for now). Thats good for traction but I miss the feeling
We just need to tweak the value.Unfortunatley I did not grab a dyno sheet. The graph is worth a thousand words!
04-17-2006, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
Holy Hijack!
It is set for 9psi and is dead on. The issue is how the BCS is controlled. The rate at which it is allowing boost to build is too linear. The ramp rate allows you to control that boost curve. In theory it should be able to blast it up with a slight bump and then flatten out to the desired boost.
So I do not have that slam you back in the seat spool up anymore (for now). Thats good for traction but I miss the feeling We just need to tweak the value.
Unfortunatley I did not grab a dyno sheet. The graph is worth a thousand words!
It is set for 9psi and is dead on. The issue is how the BCS is controlled. The rate at which it is allowing boost to build is too linear. The ramp rate allows you to control that boost curve. In theory it should be able to blast it up with a slight bump and then flatten out to the desired boost.
So I do not have that slam you back in the seat spool up anymore (for now). Thats good for traction but I miss the feeling
We just need to tweak the value.Unfortunatley I did not grab a dyno sheet. The graph is worth a thousand words!
04-18-2006, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MI 35th
So MIA , any info on what is going to be different with the REV-UP... AND will i be able to raise my rev limit with the uichip-q
04-18-2006, 06:48 AM
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To my understanding the 35th anniv, and posibly the 06 has a stock oil cooler where i would think the IC should be hung... Has TN looked at this, to see if it were in the way.
04-18-2006, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MI 35th
To my understanding the 35th anniv, and posibly the 06 has a stock oil cooler where i would think the IC should be hung... Has TN looked at this, to see if it were in the way.