Mike B,

I am stoked today even after being called a Post ***** - We just received an amazing white G35 today that is in for a Full Motor Build and TT.

The car is special because we met, ED, its owner, at California Speedway this past year. The car is Vortech SC and he noticed VRT while being past , all on our video, when I was driving Daytons, Native1s, TT Black G35.

Ed, with 380 WHP, was so impressed by being passed; he decided to get the same treatment so he isn't the one getting passed any longer. He said he wanted to buy Native1s motor 10 seconds after he saw it. LOL.

It is going to be a Proud Day for VRT to see your amazingly built car kicking ***., Vision619, SDBoxer, Wa2good, My G, Alex B, Native1, and Ed's newly built car on Laguna Seca or Big Willow within the next month.

Thanks Mike B.

Warmly,

Michael
VRT
www.ViolentRacing.com

 

wo wo wo !! where did I bash him!? it wasn't me who said he is a post *****!
I don't have anything against him posting as much as he wants.

oh come on you guys!! did I say anything wrong!? if I did I am sorry..
and I am not policing your post number! Mike asked a question and I just got to your profile and copy-paste! I didn't do anything more than that! if you feel it was offensive, I am sorry again..

I think I better lose that sense of humor and be more formal! seems it's unacceptable here..

 

Thanks Never Mind.

All is Good.

Do you ever track your car?

Michael

 

I contacted VRT about the JWT kit. I thought about swaping out the Greddy on my Z for this kit because some day, maybe it will be CARB legal. After getting the price and info I had to pass. Out of respect for VRT I wont post the price but I will say its around the price of a APS TT kit installed. In the end its not for me.
JWT TT safe for 380hp but does not include fuel return and uses splitsec box.
Greddy can be made safe for about 7k but I CAN install myself and save cash, JWT I cant. Plus Ill have a full fuel return system ect if later I want to build and up the boost.

 

My Grandma always told me "you get what you pay for" . But I totally understand where your coming from, especially if you can install the APS kit yourself. That will save you huge $$$.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpine

I'm getting into this thread late, but nonetheless here I am.

Like anyone, we were all waiting to see what the Jim Wolfe kit was going to be like and I'd like to refresh everyone's memory on a couple things before I even get back to reading what's in this thread.

I was in the Turbo Shoot Out with Sport Z Magazine. There were 2 groups in this particular setup where there were "customer" cars and "manufacturer" cars.

These groups were considered seperately, as it was undertsood that the manufacturer cars would most likely be delivered with a few more tricks up their sleeves then supposed customer cars BUT they were all supposed to show up with "customer installation and configuration setups" so that it would be a "fair" representation of what to expect from the kit, and less dependant on what else was done to the car, or any "special" conditions that may or may not exist with a customer's car/setup.

I did everything I was supposed to, including the time I was supposed to show up, arrive with little to no fuel, and let Sport Z check my car out without any interuptions, or special adjustments as to how my car is generally setup.

I personally did not witness this, so I can not stand behind it 100% but what I can tell you is that the other people, in my group, that arrived earlier than I did, watched as the manfuactuer cars were checked out, that there was something "suspicious" about what went on with the JWT car.

At a minimum, it had to be tuned "down" from whatever tuning it had before it arrived, DURING the dyno runs as there was "something" or "pinging" going on.

Additionally, the people that were there all seemed to agree, at that time, (I don't know about now) that the exahust from the JWT car was amazingly charged and seemed to have something more than 91 pump fuel as requested.

In either case, my car with the APS TT, with a conservative tune, due to that I drive it daily, track occasionaly, dragged 1/4 over 20 times and 1/8 about 10 times and many back-to-back), and flog regularly did nearly as well as the Greddy and JWT kit with all the advantages those cars had.

You know the Greddy car was their ringer, and if JWT had re-tune and did anything with their fuel, it's no wonder they did as well as they did.

I would also like to say that JWT has stated, repeatedly, they are delivering a kit with quality and safety in mind, and I do not know if that has changed but the numbers their car put down that day, is not what JWT intends to suggest to their customers as "normal".

So as I mentioned, I need to go read this thread a little more and see what I value I can find in it and I will be back.

alpine,

I would think the quality and performance of your car would more than speak for you and APS. That said, I find it truly sad and disappointing that you find it necessary to spread unverified rumors about another competitor's product and about our shootout.

Since I really don't know where to start and don't have the time or inclination to address everything you've said, I'll just comment on a few things.

1. If you felt something was wrong or not being addressed properly why didn't you ask us (Jeff, Connor or me) about it at the time? Or anytime since then?

2. You were on time as were five out of the six test cars. (The one that was late was not JWT.)

3. You're right, not everyone complied with our request to come with an empty gas tank. Five out of six basically did so. See page 8 of our Fall 2005 Issue. (By the way I drove the JWT car first. The low fuel light was on when I fired it up and it took the most gas of all the cars. This was well before it was dynoed.)

4. I'd suggest you might want be around some cars with stock cats and compare their smell to test pipes and hi-flow cats.

Finally, you might want to re-read the article, especially the Testing Basics paragraph. Also note what was said about your car and the APS system.

DaveO
G35 Editor
Sport Z Magazine

 

You do get what you pay for and thats why if I were in the market for another kit it would be the APS TT again. Ive installed the APS TT on my G35 and I was VERY impressed. My Z will wear the Greddy kit but I havent had a chance to do the install yet. I will next week though. Ill reserve my thoughts on that kit until then.

 

G352NV,

Hope all goes well for you. However, if you received a quote from VRT, it would have included all labor and tuning. All inclusive. Good Luck!

Warmly

Michael
VRT

www.ViolentRacing.com

 

JWT TT RULES

 

Steve, It was good talking to you the other day. I wish you luck with your new project Z and the Greddy kit . You might want to have the kit and the turbos gone through before it is installed again, there might be tiny motor fragments in the turbos, or in the system somewhere. Good luck with the Z, if it ends up looking anything like your G It will be awesome.



Keep in touch,
Scott at VRT

 

Yes that was everything, labor tuning ect. Im just the do it yourself kind of guy. I thought I might be able to BUY the kit and install it. I didnt know it was a locked down thing.
Scott thanks for the help. If it wasnt for having to do everything myself I would do it. But I just dont like anyone else doing the work but myself. Im just not that type of guy.

 

No problem. I am sure eventually your Z will start to resemble your G, and be great to look at as well........Good luck, keep my number, and keep me posted



Scott at VRT

 

Awesome G352NV,

We totally understand. Will love to see your Z when finished. Trust me, we would love just to sell you a kit, just not at liberty to do so at this time.

Happy New Year.

Michael

VRT
www.ViolentRacing.com

 

Happy New Year

 

Yes - You are Correct

 

Actually, I think this might just be a case of ***** envy by Amy.

 

Nah,

Just caught me on a Friday Night at 11:30 PM feeling a Good One!

M

 

To summarize all the comments made to me about my posts and some others that weren't necessarily directed at me.

(1) My posts were not a turbo debate, and whoever mentioned not turning
this thread into a turbo debate thread, is absolutely right and that is
why I made the posts I did, the way I did.

The one thing that happens with ANY new MOD or CAR SETUP
thread/topic is new people that haven't read the rest of the threads here
or elsewhere take interest, and overlook key facts and make decisions
based on what they see here.

As this was a new topic thread, and there were clearly new people
(as in not experienced tuners/modders/enthusists) I thought it important
to bring in some of those issues and DIRECT THEM TO LOOK FOR MORE
INFO and at NO TIME DID I SAY ANYTHING AGAINST the JWT or
the guy who got the kit, or VRT racing who is a sponsor here.

I think this makes not only my posts valid here, but anyone's post that
was informative and open and non-flaming or idiotic in nature.

(2) I don't do this with every thread I find or anything, I just did it here
because it was a new topic, and by no means am I expert, but I do
happen to know, from a reality side of things, what it takes to get 'here'.

(3) In response to Dave O from Sport Z Magazine.

Dave/Jeff, you guys both know me, and Jeff knows me fairly well and
I believe you may be making an invalid point about what I had to say
about the shoot out.

As always, I make clear and concise statements, and I am always honest
about what I have to say.

Last time I checked, there was nothing restricting me from stating my
opinion about the shootout, I know for a fact that I was 100% in
compliance with not disclosing anything about the shoot out until it
was released in the magazine.

The reason I agreed to do the article because I was interested in the
approach which Jeff was taking with the article, and not just another
this car with this kit VS. that car with that kit.

There isn't a single word in my posts that is not 100% accurate, and you
can feel free to run that past any of the participants of that shootout
and I don't believe anyone will say that is not accurate.

If they do, I'd like to know about it.

I didn't say anything against Sport Z magazine, you guys tried to do
something the best way you could to meet the needs of your readers.

I have already stated to Jeff and a couple other sport Z representatives
what I thought about the shoot out and the procedures/methods used
to create the test environment and results.

I haven't said anything about the APS Company or Product that wasn't
my personal opinion, and just to make it very clear, at the time of the
shootout with Sport Z Magazine, APS did nothing for me before, during, or
after the shootout, and if anything APS wasn't thrilled about my car
even being in the shoot out even though I believe my car is one of the
best examples of an APS TT setup due to how I use the car.

Is it the most powerful APS TT setup? No, it's not, but it's that way
intentionally however I am very certain that my car gets the most
usage under all conditions and abuse, that is not shop owned and/or
maintained.

Also, as I am not particularly "wealthy", everything I do comes at a cost,
and I am more than aware of the cost to replace my engine, modified
or not, so when I say that I am a good representative of "regular people"
with expensive toys and the risk that comes with it.

Shop owned/sponsored cars and "wealthy" people may not be concerned
with the potential problems one can encounter in the arena we are in.

My posts in this thread or topic had nothing to do with MY kit being
better than any other kit, or anything against Sport Z Magazine.

Dave, Jeff, and everyone else involved with Sport Z Magazine, is held
in high regard and respect in my book but that is the way I am, and I
didn't do or say anything to the contrary.

(4) VRT, After I have had to write all that I wrote before this I am not
certain what it is you wanted to clear up, but if you are looking for
a challenger to the JWT, I would be more than happy to step up to
the plate just as I did over a year ago, with Jeff & Sport Z Magazine.

I have wanted to get out on Laguna Seca, but for one reason or the
other I have not been able to, mainly due to my circumstances and
responsibilities.

I have gotten my car down to 1.42 at Big Willow, and at that time I was
under driving the car as it had a new setup at that time that I may or
may not have been as comfortable with as I would like. I believe I can
get the car into the high 1.30's at least and I believe that another driver
can get it to mid 1.30's. And I believe with slicks and another driver the
car can get down to 1.30 which I believe is a phenomenal time for a the
weight and horsepower and overall setup we are talking about.

I do not know when I myself with slicks could get my car to perform that
well as I am not a professional driver.

I do not know that I am qualified to drive my car, on LS, and deliver
what the car/kit can and I have a feeling that the people at VRT are
either well experienced drivers (and on that track) so I may have to
substitute myself with another driver.

And to be clear, just in case it is not, I haven't said anything against
the JWT KIT or VRT and by no means am I suggesting that my car
with whatever driver is or isn't going to "win" whatever we do.

I'm just saying that I am happy to participate in whatever goings on
are out there, and as always I am available to anyone personal or
business to discuss anything and I am more than happy to help
some learn to make the best decisions for themselves and that is
always the point of my posts.

I'm sure you can take any one post from me (or anyone) and use it as
an example of something that doesn't represent what I (they) think as
a whole, but in summarizing most of my posts, you will see the message
that I deliver is true, accurate, and purposeful.


(5) Happy New Year!

(6) I would also like to thank everyone for helping me along the way, and spending the time and making the effort that they have with me over the las couple years and what I am trying to do, when I can, is give some of that back, and I guess this thread just became a focal point and I believe in the end it will be considered a positive thing.

(7) CONGRATULATIONS MIKE ON
GETTING THE JWT KIT

 

Alpine,

Now that is an impressive Post!

Not sure what you are talking about a "Challenge to YOU," yet anytime you are at any road racetrack, let us know in advanced and we can have some real fun. We love matching our VRT cars with other Nissans.

Note: I am not a Professional Driver either, just started track days less than 2 years ago; yet love to go go go.

IMO, It is the best proving grounds I know of to test our client’s cars. Many of the times you tell someone they need Big Brakes or Suspension, or tires - and on the street, they can't really see the true benefits. Just gives them bragging and visual rights.

Although, at a track like Big Willow, Button Willow, Cal Speedway, Par/NV, and Laguna, you can really see why every aspect of our VRT mods are necessary. Braking, Handling, Grip, and Visual are just as important as the huge power in making a Complete Car.

So if you would like to travel with us or meet at any track within the next few months, I Will Be There. Please PM if you wish.

Hell maybe we can get Sport Z or some other publications to show up and participate as well.

Warmly,

Michael
VRT

www.ViolentRacing.com

 

Thanks for your comments about the post, as I take them as a reflection of myself. No one has to agree with me about anything I say or do, but at least when you are dealing with me you know what you are gonna get.

Please understand that the "challenge" portion of the post was meant in the truest spirit of the word, and not meant to be offensive, aggressive, or upsetting in any way, shape, or form!

That is why I mentioned in that post specifically in response to you where you talked about getting our cars out on the track to clear things up. You said something to that affect and that is what I was responding to.

(what I will need to do now is go and grab your actual words to make sure there are no issues with that, but in the meantime, what I said will do the job)

I would love to meet up with you and your "crew" as from what I have seen from your posts you guys have been very professional and what I expect to be honest input and statements.

I have just started to see you around the board (this may be my fault, or that you are a newer member/sponsor here) so you may or may not know me as well as some of the "veteran" members here, but I have spent a lot of time with different shops, owners, techs, and serious enthusiasts over the last 3 years in the Import industry, and I salute you and anyone that operates their business, takes care of their customers, and looks out for the best interests of both the cars and the owners.

It would be refreshing to have another shop I can feel confident in recommending people to although I have a great relationship with
Brainstorm Performance in Los Angeles, I would like to have a backup for myself and anyone who needs it.

Maybe you and I can speak about things and develop a personal or business relationship as well.

Now about getting Sport Z to come out with us to the track, I believe it would be easy to arrange, because I have had a good relationship with them and they know what they are getting when the deal with me. They would probably come out, but I don't know how we could fit something into an article that will make everyone happy and fulfill a need.

I had suggested they get involved with me and the guy (I can't recall his name right now and he's gonna be pissed) with the first Turbonetics car
way back when at the mossy show, and Jeff seemed interested at that time, so maybe we can get out there.

Of course the thing about track events is that it will have more and more to do with the driver and "specific" mods or adjustments made to each car that will make the biggest difference vs. any one mod on any car.

Something that we all fight with on a regular basis is the need to combine the best balance to achieve both street needs and track/performance needs while maximizing both.

Again, I can comfortably say that my car is the best example of this as I do track/drag/flog daily my car as a daily driver and don't have to do much to track or drag it and I drive it in and so far have driven out of every event I've attended.

I greatly appreciated your comments about what you do with your clients in regards to suggstions solutions and then proving why you would want and more importantly NEED for their intended usage.

CONGRATULATIONS MIKE ON GETTING THE JWT KIT