Michael, here is your quoted words from the post I was referencing.

So as I said, my wording covers this, and my explanation, should further clarify what was intend by my wording, and I'd be very glad to find out more about you, you company, and your track schedule and we can have a great time playing with this toys.

of course, what I have done in the past, with people I find "credible" and have appreciated the same being extended to me, is the following.

I would thouroughly enjoy and greatly appreciate driving the JWT car, or one of the VRT cars when and however possible.

I have done this many times and people always say "OMG I can't believe that you did that, or I would never do that and my favorite "They let you drive that?!?!?".

This is unfortunate, but there are somethings that you would like to be taken into consideration, that for me is "common sense" but for some reason "common sense" gets disengaged like VDC....

When I let someone drive my car, I expect them not to take the car to the limit, and by far I expect them not to test their own limits!

This is what I tell myself and do with myself when i have someone elses car.

I have said this a few times on the board, that I have been fortunate to have driven a lot of exotics or highly modified cars, both street and track because of the confidence and trust that people have given me and have learned I deserve....

So in the event we can get together, I would appreciate any interaction we can share with each other's cars in order to truly appreciate what we have done to our cars.

Joe

CONGRATULATIONS MIKE ON GETTING THE JWT KIT

 

Thank you Alpine for the congrats. I understand your point.

I think the real beef in this thread will come after Dyno's have been posted.
Please be patient.

 

Ok so 'nuff said about the congrats then! Although I sincerely do wish you those congrats, I know what it's like to take whatever toy to the next level!

In regards to the Dyno, I'm sure things will get heated when the dyno comes out, whether the numbers are low or high, there is going to be a lot of questions and explanations as to why you got the results you got.

Then you're going to have people that do and do NOT know what they are talking about get into the discussion, and then you will need a Fire Retardent body suit to use your keyboard/computer.

If I can make a question/suggestion about the dyno.

What type of Dyno is this car, with this setup, been running on?

If it is a DynoJet, please make sure we know what version/model it is, and hopefully there are baselines and unadjusted results and untuned results along with the final results to show what it was like during the process.

before and after are not good results when something of this nature is being discussued.

Hopefully it's not a DynoJet because everyone has all kinds of experiences and opinions about DynoJets, I am one of the people that doesn't like or care for the more commen versions and models.

I know there are new dynojets that are load based, and also apparently some other software adjustments are available too that come into issuse themselves as well as the operator of the Dynojet and software.

I would love to see your car run on a DTS Dyno as it is well respected for both conservative and accuurate and more importantly REPRODUCABLE results in a consistent fashion.

I personally would like to see it on DTS as my car has spent more time on a DTS than any other.

I don't want to start a Dyno battle topic in this topic either, I am suggesting this as both a professional in both business and as serious car enthusiast! But by no means an expert!

 

Visions car will be dynoed at JWT. Jim and Clark use a DynaPack at the shop. Here is his car being dynoed on the exact same dyno when it was super charged.



Scott at VRT
http://www.violentracing.com/

 

Alpine,

All is good. Please send me a PM and we can exchange emails. In your post, I believe you are referring to Rob aka Mia or Greg at Performance Nissan. We have already shared the track with both and would love to have you and anyone else.

http://www.opentrackracing.com/
January 18 at Big willow

Or

Laguna Seca
January 20, 2005
http://speedventures.net/

We are going to try to make both however that is very ambitious. Might be too early to invite any Mags, yet it would be fun to meet then at any rate. There are far too few Nissans when we show up at track events No Matter whos mods they are running!

Michael

VRT
www.ViolentRacing.com

 

I was also on a DynaPack, and that is what was used in the Sport Z Magazine shoot out, so I suppose that will be a good reference point for me personally.

Like all things, everything has both pros and cons to it.

I would like to say though there are more pros about DynaPacks, in comparison to the ealier DynoJets, and more importantly in higher
horsepower numbers.

I do not believe we are talking over 550HP here with this JWT car, and so long as the DynaPack is not being used for that HP point or higher, I would be hard pressed to complain about the results.

One thing that I believe is CRTICAL about any dynojet run is that there must be sufficient air flow fed into the nose of the car for "things" to work right.

the fact that there is "A FAN" isn't going to cut it. You need to be able to closely emulate the airflow that would be encountered on a hard run.

You need a fan with 220/230AMP type power, not 120V in order to obtain the airflow I am referring to. and I am certain that JWT knows this, but I don't know who else does.

This is one part where I believe there was a "problem" with the sport z shoot out, and I believe this impacted everyone equally to a degree, however as in all cases, where there is a scale, as the "environment" required more cooling, and did not receive it, the further into that environment you went, the greater the impact was, so that goes to say all the kits/motors would have done "better" or to say the least "differently" than they did because of the lack of air flow.

HOWEVER, BEFORE ANYONE GETS EXCITED, the purpose of the article was to give people a "real world view" of these kits on these cars, not the "test lab" results every product offers. So for the sake of the article, I do not believe this was an issue.

 

I did want to come back to this point briefly..... Just so that I can have my facts straight and understand where I came from.

I was told, or I understood incorrectly that the JWT car was dynoed after it arrived, and not before anyone drove it to add fuel to the cars.

In addition to being told about the "on site tuning" during the dyno run, and being told about the fuel having a particularly rich smell to it.

So if you tell me now, that the JWT car showed up, with whatever fuel in it, and YOU took it on the test drive FIRST and put GAS in it BEFORE it was dynoed then I would say that what I was told, or what I understood was completely false, and then I have to express my apologies.

I would like to say that I made it VERY CLEAR that the information I was sharing was not my own, and not by my eyes, ears, nose, or hands.

That is why I make very clear points so no one has to figure out where I am coming from.

I am also making these points publicly, because i can't stand "he said, she said" problems coming up when they don't need to.

This way everything is in the open, and on record, so that in the event there is a problem, it can be considered easily without relying on rumors.

As I said before Dave, you and Jeff, and Sport Z magazine are "all right" in my book.

You and I spoke about few personal/important topics in our short time together, but I have spoken a lot with Jeff and I believe he will stand behind me when I state that I am up front and honest with anyone and everyone on any topic.

 

Usually,

We have cars dynoed on JWTs Dynopack and on that same day go to the Dynojet so we can get a balance between Multiple Dynos.

Yes it cost more time and money! HOWEVER - This is most important on the Street Tune. Peak WHP is cool, yet I am more interested on what my clients can do on Pump gas and at the boost level they will be driving on everyday.

Michael
VRT
www.ViolentRacing.com

 

Sounds good, I have run with speed ventures before and redline track events at Big Willow several times.

As I said I would love to get out there with you guys, and as you said, anyone else.

I would really like to get out to leguna seca as that would be a new experience for me, but perhaps not the best place for us to introduce ourselves.

I have also been on ButtonWilllow, and that was less than a favorable experience for me, but I believe it was due to the equipment on the car at that time, and all that has been changed since.

I would be referring to my Stop Tech Rotors and Brakelines, HKS HyperMax II suspension, Enkei 19's and my 275 Toyo series tires.

I didn't have turbo then, which is good because that would have made the experience that much more worse.

I'll just tell you, and all concerned, that I went off track 3 times that day, which was the first time and last time I went off track ever out of the 10+ times I've been on track.

I am proud to say that only one of those incidents was my fault, because I did something I knew I shouldn't have, and the NANO SECOND I did it, and before anything was going wrong, I knew what was coming, and that has nothing to do with my car, equipment, setup, or lack of experience... that was straight up my fault.

The other times it was due to the fact I was pressing hard, with equipment, that couldn't take the conditions, and that is that.

I would also like to say that other people,with more experience and/or better setups didn't do much better than I did AND there were a couple accidents those days, and a couple cars that were totaled.....

So Hooray for me that I wasn't a part of any of those!

 

alpine,

You are one of the good guys in our book and I do realize you were repeating some second hand hearsay. Like you I'd like to clarify a few more things.

1) It's in Sport Z Magzine's best interest to be as honest, factual and unbiased as possible. Remember none of us had a horse in this race.

2) Nothing's ideal. In regards to any activity including our Turbo Shootout unexpected things happen. KaKa occurs and you have to deal with it in the most professional manner possible at the time.

3) Once all three manufacturers' car arrived, Jeff, Connor and I saddled up and drove directly to the nearest gas station. (I was driving the JWT car.) There we filled all three cars with gas and then began our morning test drive and photo session. (The JWT car was real empty as I previously stated.)

4) When we got back from the test drive and photo session these cars were dyno-ed in the following order... Greddy, Turbonetics and JWT.

As for the tuning rumor, the JWT car was last to dyno in the morning. I found out after the fact the JWT car had pinged slightly on the dyno with Texaco 91 octane Kalifornia designer gas. Since Jeff, Connor and I were busy evaluating the other cars there was time for Jim Wolf to pull two degrees of timing and re-dyno. I don't believe Jeff, Connor or I were aware this was happening until we received two sets of dyno results.

A problem? Yes in regards to rumor control and no because here's what we did. We published the original (first) set of JWT dyno results because that's how we drove the car during our street driving evaluation and there had been no "tuning" involved with the JWT car up to that point. We ignored the second set of JWT pulls completely.

5) The ambient conditions for all the test car dyno results can be found on page 45 of our Summer 2005 issue.

For those who don't have their issue handy here are the ambient temps and therefore the test car’s order on the dyno.

Greddy - 73.2 F
Tubronetics - 76.3 F
JWT - 77.8 F

PE - 78.9 F
APS - 79.1 F
SFR - 79.3 F

Hopefully this post addresses the remaining concerns.

And yes we'd like to independently support the proposed activity at Willow Springs.

DaveO
G35 Editor
Sport Z Magazine

 

That sounds great.

Can't wait to Get back to the track this year. It truly is going to be a big year for us (VRT), and hopefully all Z and G owners.



Scott at VRT
http://www.violentracing.com/

 

Hmm I didnt know APS tt was included in this test on sportz mag. Ill have to get a copy.

 

G352NV, yes the APS TT was in that shootout article, and it was my car that was tested.

Dave O, Thanks for the repsonse, I'm glad we still see eye-to-eye and have the same mutual respect for one another, my integrity means a lot to me, and I believe you feel the same, with that said "Z On!"

Dave O/VRT/Anyone interested... Sounds like we can get something worked out then to meet up at Big Willow or are we talking about The Streets of Willow?

I haven't been back to streets in a long time, because I like the top end speed of Big Willow! But I suppose I would go to streets to "test" the car with the current setup.

Let's get in contact with each other about setting up a potential gathering and start kicking around some ideas of what can be done in regards to an article for Sport Z.

Has there been a "Want to track your Z" article yet?

I know we can easily come up with two to four pages of things to consider before, during, and after tracking your car to give people a real idea of what's involved.

Then we could discuss some of the different equipment on the cars, and some of the opinions as to what is expected from that equipment and why someone might consider them for street & track or just street or just track setups.

of course it'd be nice to get some nice photos of the cars together out on the track, perhaps see some of the body roll & lift differences between the cars.

 

An article on tracking your car would be awesome. I ALWAYS get questions on why I do certain things to my car that "no one will ever know about or see". The track is the ultimate test for all cars. If you have 1 (one) weak point, be it brakes, suspension, cooling systems, tires, whatever, it will show it's face on the track. Things come apart there. Things fail there.

You better have a VERY well rounded car if you want to even "keep up" with some of the cars that show up out there. I remember when I thought my Brembo Upgrades were "The $hit" until I took them to Big Willow. they lasted 4 laps until my foot was on the floor! Then upgraded the rotors, lines, pads and fluid. Lasted 6-7 laps IE: you see Ap Racing on my car now. Average speeds of 120-0 over and over again will destroy anything less than preperation.

I could go on for days but I think an article would best cover it. I'm at all track events with VRT so I'm sure I'll be invloved. Can't wait!!!

 

Don't forget about me!!!

 

How can I ever forget about you......I see your car everyday...Haha.

No Mike, Your car is one of the 2 current projects we have going on right now that I am the MOST excited about . You need to schedule some of the time off work for the upcomming track days...we have big (magazine plans) possibly happening with YOUR CAR......




Scott at VRT
http://www.violentracing.com/

 

Well you must fill me in on these possible plans...PM me.

 

1. Interesting idea for an article alpine.

2. Thanks DaveO for jumping in and explaining the specifics of what occured during testing on the day we tested the turbo kits.

 

I would be more than happy to help out with this article and I am sure I could find someone else, *cough*chough*Rickdogg*cough, that wouldn't mind either .

 

I'm sure we could come up with quite a few people willing to participate. Perhaps we should create a new thread about this. Sounds like a ton of fun! Before we create the thread we should solidify a date and track. What do you guys think?