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Old 12-25-2005, 03:32 PM
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Default APS piggyback shorted & almost caught my car on fire!!

I finally got my car running today on Christmas. I went down to the gas station, filled her up & went for a cruise. About 3 miles into the cruise & my car stalled, then the whole cabin filled with smoke. I opened the hood and disconnected the battery, then began to rip every plastic piece out where the smoke was coming from. I then unplugged the piggyback & found it melted on the side. I checked all the wires, & everything was pluged in right. Followed the crank angle sensor and found a short where the wires were melted. I was on PCH & Beach, so I called a buddy & told him to bring wire cutters & butt ends. I cut the melted piece out & rewired hoping for the best. The car still wouldn't start. I then called a tow truck and sat for an hour. Then I tried plugging in the stock ECU and the stock crank angle sensor plug & it started right up.

So now I'm happy it didn't fry my ECU but now I need to deal with replacing the piggyback. The messed up thing is when I first was checking out all the parts 5 months ago, I noticed that the piggyback had a few chunks out of it like someone dropped it. I thought it was no big deal untill now. I hope I can get this fixed soon!

Oh well, **** happens

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Old 12-25-2005, 03:43 PM
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How did you run the CAS wire? What was it strapped to?

Sorry to hear about that, btw. If you're looking to get something other than the Unichip, there's a guy selling a new UTEC in the Private Classifieds.
Old 12-25-2005, 03:45 PM
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Glad you're OK man. Fires in cars are scary
Old 12-25-2005, 04:27 PM
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Man sorry to here about the fire. Hope everything gets back up and running correctly. Happy Holidays
Old 12-25-2005, 06:01 PM
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good excuse to get UTEC XS!
Old 12-26-2005, 12:44 AM
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I had it strapped(zip-tied) to the stock wire.

Yeah guys, it was smoking sooo bad that I couldn't see my navigation. I thought my car was DONE for. I delayed my insurance for the 6 month motor build/TT/install, so if it did go up in flames I would've been fugged.

Thanks for the help, I hope it will be back running this week. All these options/suggestions make me feel a little better.

And to think: at first it ran soooo good while I filled the fluids, washed it, & drove around the corner for about an hour. Right once I got on my regular sunday cruise route, **** hit the fan.

Tomorrow I'm buying a fire hydrant & heat wrap, re-instating my insurance, & over-nighting a piggyback from somewhere/somebody.

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Old 12-26-2005, 09:13 AM
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got some Dirt on the APS now
Old 12-26-2005, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by weslutes
...Tomorrow I'm buying a fire hydrant & heat wrap, re-instating my insurance, & over-nighting a piggyback from somewhere/somebody.

Wes
LOL, check into fire extinguishers. They're more portable, less weight and you won't have dogs pissing all over your Z.

Sorry to hear about your incident. Make sure to call your ins. co. right away and tell them about your FI. Pay for a rider/floater or what ever they call it or you could get totally hosed if you ever have an accident. I did, so learn from my mistakes.
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Originally Posted by Zilvia
got some Dirt on the APS now
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
Old 12-26-2005, 09:28 AM
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YOU SHUT THE **** UP ***.............i was just messing around you *****
Old 12-26-2005, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilvia
YOU SHUT THE **** UP ***.............i was just messing around you *****
Sure you were. Read my sig.
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ROFL, that was funny. I knew he was kidding non-the-less. Is it a bad thing that u zip tied the CAS wire?
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i have my CAS zip tied to the Kmember, then it heads up the firewall and into the cabin. where exactly were the wires melted, what was it near that would of caused that much heat.
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That's what I was wondering; you'd think if he zipped it to the existing CAS wire, it would be fine.
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Originally Posted by plumpzz
Is it a bad thing that u zip tied the CAS wire?
The only way I can think of for it to be a bad thing is if he used metal zip-ties, and pulled them WAY too tight, and it bit into the wire and shorted it, but that's highly unlikely.
Old 12-26-2005, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by neffster
LOL, check into fire extinguishers. They're more portable, less weight and you won't have dogs pissing all over your Z.

Sorry to hear about your incident. Make sure to call your ins. co. right away and tell them about your FI. Pay for a rider/floater or what ever they call it or you could get totally hosed if you ever have an accident. I did, so learn from my mistakes.
Ha Ha, it was late last night & I had to work untill 9pm. Yeah, I think I meant fire extinguisher. I definately don't want dogs pissing on my G.

Thanks for the insurance info.

I ran the wire to the drivers side compartment, then out to the tranny where I zip-tied(regular zip-ties) it to the stock wire. I thought it was routed good(away from the turbos), it was above the drivers side turbo about 6 inches. Maybe the wire got in the path of the heat rising from the turbo. There was no problem the first half hour when the hood was open, the underhood temps must have sky-rocketted when I shut the hood.

After looking at it & brainstorming for hours, I came to the conclusion that I should run it through the firewall towards the drivers side compartment(brake fluid area) but drill a hole in the middle(right behind the throttle body) using a rubber/plastic grommet to pull it through dropping it straight down to the plug. That way the wire will not be going under/over/around/by any exhaust portion of the car, & the small section of wire that is in the engine bay will be heat wrapped.
Old 12-26-2005, 12:49 PM
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I have a complete APS Unichip set up lying around the shop, came out of my car.PM me if interested...
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you could go straight up near the shifter, drill a hole in the metal right there, thats what i did to my EGT sensors and harnesses.
Old 12-26-2005, 09:26 PM
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You have a PM MRC.

tig488: That's a good idea, I'll scope it out & figure the best option. Please illiterate, I'm trying to picture your idea.
The piggyback is on the passenger's side, & the plug is on the driver's side. If I drilled the hole on the passenger's side, i'd have to pull it through the firewall & loop it around the tranny(which sounds O.K.).
If I drill the hole on the driver's side I'd have to run it through/around the center concil/dash, then out the hole(which sounds like a biatch).
I think my idea is best but i'll look into it & size it up to see which one is best.
Old 12-26-2005, 09:35 PM
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take out the shifter plastic and center console out between the seats. i drilled a few spots to run several harnesses in that general area, just make sure you dont hit anything on the otherside, from underneath the car its in the center. run the wire thru the hole and up under all the dash panels over to the unichip, just have to make sure the hole is big enough for the plugs to go thru.


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