700 CLUB!!!!--->>> SGP Says, Here Ya Go!!
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
The issue with lifting heads can happen sporadically, and under extreme use and pressure. I have no doubt you'll see 700-800whp+ on the dyno. But try making a 60mph to 170mph pass on the freeway (repeatedly), at full boost and load...and see if the heads stick. 
With Darton sleeves, oversized studs, and a Cometic/Cosworth head gasket, I imagine our heads will be sticking a lot better in the future.
Only time will tell.

With Darton sleeves, oversized studs, and a Cometic/Cosworth head gasket, I imagine our heads will be sticking a lot better in the future.
Only time will tell.What do you think is the key for holding down Heads?
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
The issue with lifting heads can happen sporadically, and under extreme use and pressure. I have no doubt you'll see 700-800whp+ on the dyno. But try making a 60mph to 170mph pass on the freeway (repeatedly), at full boost and load...and see if the heads stick. 
With Darton sleeves, oversized studs, and a Cometic/Cosworth head gasket, I imagine our heads will be sticking a lot better in the future.
Only time will tell.

With Darton sleeves, oversized studs, and a Cometic/Cosworth head gasket, I imagine our heads will be sticking a lot better in the future.
Only time will tell.
Originally Posted by Philthy
I think you hit the nail right on the head Sharif! I already have all of the above, and the stock head gasket just didn't cut it. We were doing some load base testing on a dynapack dyno, and once the load on the motor increased - the head gasket became the weak link. I'm going to be trying two different types of aftermarket head gaskets in the next few weeks and will let everyone know the results.
Hey Philthy, in addition to an upgraded head gasket, make sure you tuner doesnt apply excessively high boost pressure at very low RPM...which is pretty easy to do with a load based dyno. You can max out a turbo at 2500rpm, when in reality, you might need 4000rpm to max out the turbos.
1G---three things will help keep the heads from lifting: Keeping cylinder pressure and heat to the absolute minimum (for the power you are trying to achieve), using the best block hardware and gaskets, and solid tuning.
1G---three things will help keep the heads from lifting: Keeping cylinder pressure and heat to the absolute minimum (for the power you are trying to achieve), using the best block hardware and gaskets, and solid tuning.
No question Sharif, all good suggestions!
One other good suggestion is making sure your motor is warmed up to operating temperature before you hit the dyno or place any large loads on the motor...
One other good suggestion is making sure your motor is warmed up to operating temperature before you hit the dyno or place any large loads on the motor...
Originally Posted by Gman2004
My car is at SGP right now. I fly out on 02/17 to drive it home. I am getting these cooling mods. I don't know if I am at liberty to post them online, so I will keep it hush until SGP chimes in. They don't seem to think the cooling issues have to do with the heads lifting though. The cooling mods are working so far.
Originally Posted by Jokestrap
I saw your longblock the other day. It's ready to go in brother.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
I can't wait to drive my car again.....going for conservative power this time......475whp.

Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
But try making a 60mph to 170mph pass on the freeway (repeatedly), at full boost and load...and see if the heads stick. 

Originally Posted by Gman2004

In response to the statement regarding "what class is he going to run in and how can he compete with the Pro Classes"? I had the car built this way to compete in local tracks against "good ole boys" (cobras,vets,& vipers) and to get to the local Seven Elevens a little quicker! I'm trying to make it streetable now!
Machining in 1/2" studs should do the trick. 

Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
With Darton sleeves, oversized studs, and a Cometic/Cosworth head gasket, I imagine our heads will be sticking a lot better in the future.
Only time will tell.
Only time will tell.
i have talked to a few highly experienced machinists whole told me that they think that using 1/2" headstuds on my engine would hold great for drag racing and extreme HP where I rebuild the engine... but they also thought I would destroy headgaskets on a street car that I wanted to keep together for a long time... something about how the hardware will not allow any expansion and it will tear at the headgasket.
Originally Posted by johnlotusboy
Sleeve nip height (above deck) is the answer . Sleeves machined flat w/block won't stay sealed.
Another thing we have done on alot of high horsepower cars is o-ring the head and the block to creat a double offset o-ring. Works great.
Tim
Hey gman why dont you just get the utec and do a daily driver map and then do a racing map. i think your going to miss all that power man.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
I can't wait to drive my car again.....going for conservative power this time......475whp.

Originally Posted by Fairlady_z33
Hey gman why dont you just get the utec and do a daily driver map and then do a racing map. i think your going to miss all that power man.
I know the UTEC is getting great reviews and it looks very promising, but I have been told by a couple of reputable shops that switching from the EU to the UTEC is not worth the money. I am not knocking the UTEC at all. If I didn't already have the EU, I would definately go that route, but I am going to take the advice I have already been given and stick with what I got.
Last edited by Gman2004; Feb 1, 2006 at 03:50 PM.
Originally Posted by Fairlady_z33
Hey gman why dont you just get the utec and do a daily driver map and then do a racing map. i think your going to miss all that power man.



