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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
I do not know why you are sooo combative Relax man.
Cool, sounds great, bring your car from MN. to any, or all of the track days we attend and you will see for yourself. In fact let me know if there is any way I can help you out with doing that (I would LOVE to). Until then try being a little less argumentative, nobody is out to get you...or your well put together TT kit........I promise .Hahaha!
Cool, sounds great, bring your car from MN. to any, or all of the track days we attend and you will see for yourself. In fact let me know if there is any way I can help you out with doing that (I would LOVE to). Until then try being a little less argumentative, nobody is out to get you...or your well put together TT kit........I promise .Hahaha!
I think the JWT looks to be a great setup upon it's final release.
My issue with your shop is somewhat beside the point. I just don't like the fact that I have only two options at this point for install of the kit. One on the East coast which seems to be doing a fine job, and one on the West coast that seems to be putting out a fine product as well, but their presence on the boards is less then professional IMO -> ie, misleading information and keeping specs quiet - but we all know you are keeping your mouth shut as a personal favor to mr. Wolf.
I have a better idea, let the owners of the kit come on here and hype the great work you do for you like the Peformance Motorsports guys do. I have serious reservations and issues with a company coming and hyping a prototype kit the way you guys have.
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Originally Posted by pope_usaf
well said. i would love to see a little scott vs zivman on the track... make sure to get some video.
Me come to California? Get real.....with your CARB BS, proposition 65, 91 octane fuel, and the list goes on. If I want to head to warmer weather, I will head over to Hawaii
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Me come to California? Get real.....with your CARB BS, proposition 65, 91 octane fuel, and the list goes on. If I want to head to warmer weather, I will head over to Hawaii
you dont have to abide by carb rules at the track.... or even on the street with out of state plates...
i would love to see this little aps vs jwt thing go head to head where it matters, the track
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Originally Posted by pope_usaf
you dont have to abide by carb rules at the track.... or even on the street with out of state plates...
i would love to see this little aps vs jwt thing go head to head where it matters, the track
i would love to see this little aps vs jwt thing go head to head where it matters, the track
Besides, if I headed out there, I would most likely run into all the TN guys as well. We are kind of like oil and water - don't think we would mix too well
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Originally Posted by Oleg
I knew it would be a matter of time before the arguments on which TT is better, APS or JWT would spark up....
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Call up Scott Performance, maybe bigbri or Marluci7 or someone else can meet up with you. I have no desire at all to go to Cali again. Been there before.
Besides, if I headed out there, I would most likely run into all the TN guys as well. We are kind of like oil and water - don't think we would mix too well
Besides, if I headed out there, I would most likely run into all the TN guys as well. We are kind of like oil and water - don't think we would mix too well
If i had the JWT kit i would be more than happy to meet up.... but i dont yet. It will be a couple more months before i make my decision. I would just love to see an APS car go against scott in his JWT car on the track. Im intersted to see what would happen....
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Originally Posted by zland
When comparing all products, it makes sense that you drive each before making assumptions on how they perform.
I have a suggestion for VRT. Release one of your kits to a shop like GRD in IL. You find a buyer in that area and have the kit installed by a shop in IL - (there are a few to choose from), and I will head down there on the 17th of next month with another local of mine running a APS ST. I'll track down a Greddy TT owner and a TN ST owner and do my own little shootout between the kits. I love my car, don't get me wrong, but if I get behind the wheel of a JWT setup and it works it's magical spells on me like it seems to do who ever gets within 100 yards of it, then I will be more than happy to sing it's praises like I do with the APS setup. Whatever you do though, make sure it is running an appropriate exhaust, NOT the Injen
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Originally Posted by Zivman
I love the fact that you like to poke at my MN roots. Beyond that, I love your misleading posts on the forums and refusal to release specs on a setup when asked.
I think the JWT looks to be a great setup upon it's final release.
My issue with your shop is somewhat beside the point. I just don't like the fact that I have only two options at this point for install of the kit. One on the East coast which seems to be doing a fine job, and one on the West coast that seems to be putting out a fine product as well, but their presence on the boards is less then professional IMO -> ie, misleading information and keeping specs quiet - but we all know you are keeping your mouth shut as a personal favor to mr. Wolf.
I have a better idea, let the owners of the kit come on here and hype the great work you do for you like the Peformance Motorsports guys do. I have serious reservations and issues with a company coming and hyping a prototype kit the way you guys have.
I think the JWT looks to be a great setup upon it's final release.
My issue with your shop is somewhat beside the point. I just don't like the fact that I have only two options at this point for install of the kit. One on the East coast which seems to be doing a fine job, and one on the West coast that seems to be putting out a fine product as well, but their presence on the boards is less then professional IMO -> ie, misleading information and keeping specs quiet - but we all know you are keeping your mouth shut as a personal favor to mr. Wolf.
I have a better idea, let the owners of the kit come on here and hype the great work you do for you like the Peformance Motorsports guys do. I have serious reservations and issues with a company coming and hyping a prototype kit the way you guys have.
This "last" post of yours makes alot of sence and I respect that.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Fair enough .
This "last" post of yours makes alot of sence and I respect that.
Thanks.
This "last" post of yours makes alot of sence and I respect that.
Thanks.
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Even if all the kits were put on a track, unless a professional driver was used and all other mods were even on each car, there would still be some variables. The problem is most people mod their cars inaddition to putting on a turbo. This one was of the issues we had to deal with when comparing the kits.
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Originally Posted by zland
Even if all the kits were put on a track, unless a professional driver was used and all other mods were even on each car, there would still be some variables. The problem is most people mod their cars inaddition to putting on a turbo. This one was of the issues we had to deal with when comparing the kits.
Would it be correct in saying that in the comparision, a major factor was
and is:
The amount of power delivered under the curve of the tourque range.
This would be the question.
Cheers Amy -
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Originally Posted by Zivman
As I stated, release a JWT kit to a shop near me, I am sure with all the hype, you could have many buyers eager to get their hands on it. I am sure there are atleast two shops in the chicago area that could install it to your standards
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Originally Posted by AmyCroft
Zland:
Would it be correct in saying that in the comparision, a major factor was
and is:
The amount of power delivered under the curve of the tourque range.
This would be the question.
Cheers Amy -
Would it be correct in saying that in the comparision, a major factor was
and is:
The amount of power delivered under the curve of the tourque range.
This would be the question.
Cheers Amy -
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Originally Posted by zland
The problem is most people mod their cars inaddition to putting on a turbo. This one was of the issues we had to deal with when comparing the kits.
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Originally Posted by georgec
Seems to me if you're going to test a twin turbo kit that the kit should be tested as supplied by the manufacturer - this way you really see what your getting for your $$$ spent, a true back to back comparison not an apple vs orange comparison.
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Originally Posted by zland
In a perfect world that is the best option. Often times in the real world, the ideal may not be achieved. Budgets, timelines, availibility of test cars/products are some of the things that can prevent it from happening.
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Originally Posted by georgec
All of the above is true though if you don't run products as provided/delivered by the manufacturer how can any car enthusiast draw any meaningful conclusion from the report. If you can't run the tests professionally (like a pro car magazine) then don't run them at all as this only misleads the general public imho.
Even with variations such as aftermaket exhaust, it does not change the character of each kit. If you feel our test mislead the public, be more specific in how? I stand by my point that the comments we made about each kit is right on point and adding this exhaust or that one etc would not change anything. If you think the point of the article was only peak hp of a dyno, then you missed the entire goal of the article. In addition, I hope that most consumers look for more than that quality alone.
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Originally Posted by zland
Even with variations such as aftermaket exhaust, it does not change the character of each kit.