Notices
Forced Induction Turbochargers and Superchargers..Got Boost?

UTEC and Vortec

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 9, 2006 | 03:07 AM
  #1  
prescience's Avatar
prescience
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
From: Across the Pond United Kingdom
Default UTEC and Vortech

Is the UTEC a suitable EMS for controlling the Vortech in stock configuration.

I know it can control fuel and timing of course, but what about the additional FMU - can it replace the SplitSec's switching of this (as a function of RPM and/or boost) as required.

I hope the answer isn't that I need a full fuel return system, because that will double the cost of the upgrade -worthwhile though that would no doubt be
Reply
Old Feb 9, 2006 | 03:33 AM
  #2  
jran76's Avatar
jran76
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 671
Likes: 0
From: Plano (Dallas), TX
Default

You can absolutely use the UTEC, and ditch the SS box. You do not need a return setup at the 7-10 psi range on the Vortech (it wouldn't hurt, but not required). You may want to consider revising the fuel setup though. I would ditch the Vortech setup and go with larger injectors/fuel pump. That is really all you would need with the UTEC.... You can likely find some 380cc's or 440cc's for cheap.

If you plan to keep the FMU and Vortech fuel setup, I would keep the SS box, although not as safe as the UTEC (the stock ECU can still adjust timing slightly with the SS), it is sufficient.
Reply
Old Feb 9, 2006 | 04:52 AM
  #3  
jpc350z's Avatar
jpc350z
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,041
Likes: 0
From: columbia md.
Default

Originally Posted by jran76
You can absolutely use the UTEC, and ditch the SS box. You do not need a return setup at the 7-10 psi range on the Vortech (it wouldn't hurt, but not required). You may want to consider revising the fuel setup though. I would ditch the Vortech setup and go with larger injectors/fuel pump. That is really all you would need with the UTEC.... You can likely find some 380cc's or 440cc's for cheap.

If you plan to keep the FMU and Vortech fuel setup, I would keep the SS box, although not as safe as the UTEC (the stock ECU can still adjust timing slightly with the SS), it is sufficient.
Other than the obvious advantage of getting rid of the S.S box and FMU/Aux fuel pump (fuel lines that can and have come loose)what other benefits are there in going with the UTEC?..I've read the AAM write up and having separate fuel maps doesn't knock my socks off..If one was a tracker I can see how they would be interested but for those only interested in a reliable and fast car the UTEC could be considered offering greater reliability but what will it do to make it faster?? Thanks
Reply
Old Feb 9, 2006 | 04:53 AM
  #4  
booger's Avatar
booger
Registered User
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 10,500
Likes: 2
From: council bluffs Ia.
Default

Originally Posted by prescience
Is the UTEC a suitable EMS for controlling the Vortech in stock configuration.

I know it can control fuel and timing of course, but what about the additional FMU - can it replace the SplitSec's switching of this (as a function of RPM and/or boost) as required.

I hope the answer isn't that I need a full fuel return system, because that will double the cost of the upgrade -worthwhile though that would no doubt be
If you dont plan on upping the boost , building the motor , Or going to a return fuel system and bigger injectors . IMPO ...going to the Utec would be kind of a waste of money . The SS box is more than capable of keeping your car safe and making the power you want . Im thinking of keeping the SS instead of going to the Utec
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 01:04 AM
  #5  
TheMinel's Avatar
TheMinel
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 673
Likes: 0
From: Milan, Italy
Default

anymore for anymore?
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 07:20 AM
  #6  
Mike@Altered's Avatar
Mike@Altered
Banned
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 369
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by jpc350z
Other than the obvious advantage of getting rid of the S.S box and FMU/Aux fuel pump (fuel lines that can and have come loose)what other benefits are there in going with the UTEC...Thanks
A leading advantage of utilitzing the UTEC vs. the S.S. Box is that you will no longer have to worry about the car swtiching between normal and advanced timing maps. When setup properly, the UTEC has much better knock control which also aids reliability.

Hope this helps,

Mike
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 07:49 AM
  #7  
Sharif@Forged's Avatar
Sharif@Forged
Sponsor
Forged Performance
iTrader: (92)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 13,733
Likes: 1
From: Marietta, GA
Default

IMHO, I would leave your current Vortech setup in stock trim. Once you have the means, the next step is the UTEC, return fuel system larger injectors, and ditching the SS/FMU.
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2006 | 07:59 AM
  #8  
CpraceZ's Avatar
CpraceZ
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
From: Charlotte, NC
Default

agreed, if you don't plan on going with more boost, a built motor or a fuel system you most likely will not see much of a gain using the Utec, but if you do decide to do those upgrades by all means the Utec would be a perfect setup.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2006 | 02:54 AM
  #9  
prescience's Avatar
prescience
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
From: Across the Pond United Kingdom
Default

The reason that I am going (this unconventional) route is that Jermaine is making a trip to the UK to install UTECs on several UK cars. This gives me the opportunity to get the car tuned - a thing which the UK installers have so far proved unable or unwilling to do with the SS box (I don't know why - but that is the case)

Thus, I would expect hopefully to see gains because currently I am in stock tune i.e. very rich with a lot of timing pulled beyond 5000 rpm. Is that a reasonable expectation?

I want to be able to not have to clean my car beacuse of the black fuel deposits on my exhaust trims
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:17 AM
  #10  
Sharif@Forged's Avatar
Sharif@Forged
Sponsor
Forged Performance
iTrader: (92)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 13,733
Likes: 1
From: Marietta, GA
Default

It should work. The UTEC has several spare solenoids, tha can activate that Vortech Aux pump at a certain RPM or boost level, just like the split second box.
Reply
Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:30 AM
  #11  
prescience's Avatar
prescience
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
From: Across the Pond United Kingdom
Default

Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
It should work. The UTEC has several spare solenoids, tha can activate that Vortech Aux pump at a certain RPM or boost level, just like the split second box.


The thing is Sharif, once I can get a tuner up to speed with the UTEC (wasn't possible with the SplitSec despite efforts as Matt will tell you), then I can start getting the other mods I want i.e. return fuel sys, 440 injectors to improve safety/longevity and then 3.12 pulley for a bit more power. I have your details LOL
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NissanZcrazy
Forced Induction
6
Nov 2, 2015 06:03 PM
2ndchanceZ
Engine
1
Oct 26, 2015 08:03 PM
EnthuZiast
Forced Induction
5
Apr 10, 2005 09:13 PM
CaneZMD
Forced Induction
15
Jun 9, 2004 07:06 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:12 AM.