Haha, looks like someone took a 5lb sledge to it!

 

Naaaa a bunch of last Summer where going out for a drive, a couple of Z's stock at the time, an M5 and a M3. I took a 14mph 120 degree turn to hard, way too gravely and porus... And i spun her... Hit a gaurdrail in that very corner... I got lucky There was very little damage.... Crashes happen when you play hard...

 

That is a 0 degree bend?Looks like 90 to me..Also what about the passenger side turbo outlet, how about that 90 degree bend, got pics of that?

 

you could always have the best of both worlds. I am putting the JWT spacer on with my APS oil pan.

 

To me, that picture look like a half azzed install...How is that better than a larger oil pan again?

 

Yeah that does look pretty bad--not really sure why so much adhesive (or silicone) was used...shouldn't a couple of gaskets work perfectly?...

seriously though, we're saying some kits are better than others because they are lacking 90 degree bends? last time I checked, when air is forced to travel through something, it will go without any issue--in whichever direction it needs--from high to low pressure areas.

finally, stock for stock, the aps may be more "complete" from the current view of tuners, but time will tell, stock for stock, the JWT will also be viewed as "complete."

Moving slightly past stock levels, go APS. For a little extra $, the JWT will accomplish this just as well.

 

I didn't say that is better than a larger oil pan. I said I am going to put a JWT spacer on my APS oil pan. I will have a 7 qt capacity.

 

are you going to extend your pickup two times?

 

Okay, I'm really out of the loop. I've seen multiple comments about Peter being banned (mentioned in other threads).

What's the story on this? Is there a thread I missed? Everyone keeps saying they've experienced APS customer service first hand, etc.

I just want to know what happened (if anything)?

People on here don't seem to be defending him or anything, but they do still promote APS products when they believe in them.

 

I don't know what SGP does, but they make it work.

 

wont that be an inch from the ground?

 

Think you would have figured out by now that no one wants to hear your turbonetics plug after you didn't get a response to your first post in this thread?? READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD.

 

Back on topic.

Obviously, I'm partial to the APS kit since that's what is on my car. The reason that the APS kit is on my car is because I believe it is the most complete out, of the box, no corners cut forced induction option for the 350Z. Simple as that.

The JWT kit no doubt has a lot of potential, and is of pretty good quality, plus having the MAF placed before the turbos has it's advantages.

The one major problem I have with the JWT kit is it's "fuel system". I would NEVER run an FMU setup with stock injectors on a car that I care about again. I made the mistake once. It led to an injector failure and a blown motor in my previous vehicle. The stock injectors aren't designed to have the kind of fuel pressure forced through them and running them near 100% duty cycle is just asking for trouble.

If JWT addressed that issue, the engine managment and oil pan, I think the JWT and APS kit would be nearly identical in performance for dollar, reliability and quality.

 

Peter got banned awhile back. I believe for advertising on this board and not paying to be a sponsor. Most people (with a few exceptions) have had bad customer service issues with APS. I don't think anyone would say their kits are not done very well but if you have a problem you are kinda on your own.

 

I've found that if you deal with APS through an APS dealer in the states you can get a lot farther a lot more quickly. Several guys that had either APS TT or APS ST setups done at GRD here in IL had small issues that were taken care of very quickly when GRD contacted APS instead of the owners themselves.

It might have something to do with the way they do business over in Australia...who knows, but that's the only advice that I have.

 

yeah IMO it seems like JWT is trying so hard to get the kit to pass CARB that they skimped on certain areas like the fuel system and injectors.

The APS kit had one main goal and that was to build the best FI kit they can that addressed all the issues and didn't cost an arm and a leg.

condidering how much power it's running, I'm not thrilled by the SS box, the hot air intake, the stock injectors, and the ho-hum fuel system.

I'd definetly choose the APS kit or their tuner kit

 

I agree with you. GRD seems to have a hotline into APS. My advice to all interested in the APS would be to take it to an authorized dealer like GRD and don't let anyone else touch it. I had no options as I live in Florida and Japtrix wasn't authorized yet. I should have shipped my car to GRD if I wanted the APS or really bought the Greddy TT from Sharif and had him do it.

 

In my opinion a breakdown of a TT project's success is 15-20% for the choice of the kit and 80-85% for the ability of the installer/tuner to do a good job on this. So whoever is local to you, go with the kit that he knows better. Greddy, JWT, APS, SFR, even PE, they all have a lot of potential to make a ton of power if the shop is good or to destry the motor is the shop sucks.

 

+1

 

I reckon you have it the wrong way around - the design, completeness and quality of an intercooled twin turbo system results in a very high success rate. So, 80% would be due to design and construction and 20% the tuner's ability imho. If you get the turbo matching, intercooler sizing, fuel system design, etc, etc, wrong from day one then there's little that the tuner can do (other than replacing many parts) to rectify those issues.

Just my 2 cents worth.

George