APS TT or JWT TT?!?
Originally Posted by USN HM 350Z
Both kits are excellent. Get what is going to be within your price range (kit + install + tune) and figure in availabilty and then get the one that makes the most sense for you.
I have the JWT and I am VERY happy with it, but unlike other people on this thread I am not going to just be biased and just my kit. ALL turbo set-ups have there pro's and con's.
I have the JWT and I am VERY happy with it, but unlike other people on this thread I am not going to just be biased and just my kit. ALL turbo set-ups have there pro's and con's.
Originally Posted by beastie
My warranty experience with APS and Peter is far from BS! I had a bad wiring harness, waste gate and actual turbo that they won't warranty. Their customer services just plain sucks. If I had it to do over again, I would:
1) Ship the car to Sharif
2) Have him build the engine
3) Work with him on my goals and decide together what the best kit is
4) Have Sharif install and tune my kit and built engine.
Which btw is what I am doing now after spending over 15K and getting a fuked up car?
1) Ship the car to Sharif
2) Have him build the engine
3) Work with him on my goals and decide together what the best kit is
4) Have Sharif install and tune my kit and built engine.
Which btw is what I am doing now after spending over 15K and getting a fuked up car?
Originally Posted by zman1910
The reason your car was F'd up was because you took it to a crappy shop to get everything installed....they never knew what the hell they were doing...
I agree with you but doesn't change the fact that I had several defective parts from the factory.
Originally Posted by zman1910
The reason your car was F'd up was because you took it to a crappy shop to get everything installed....they never knew what the hell they were doing...
Originally Posted by Gman2004
This is true of any kit. I am on motor #3 because of South Florida Performance chitty work.
Originally Posted by ht4
Damn!!! the F'ed up. WTF did they do? Is there a thread on this?
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/178494-headlift-sleeved-and-non-sleeved-engines.html
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Originally Posted by beastie
Wow glad you were there the whole time for me thanks...
I agree with you but doesn't change the fact that I had several defective parts from the factory.
I agree with you but doesn't change the fact that I had several defective parts from the factory.
I didn't mean to come off like an a$$ but I have been there and talked to them and they were clueless. They also tried to get me to buy an emanage ultimate simply bc they had no experience with the Unichip. I had to show the mechanic what I wanted done as well...
. Anyways I hope everything works out with your car.The things that were wrong with your kit could be related to anything and considering that shop has no idea what they were doing I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed up a few of those things. They didn't even realize there was a supplemental kit to the G35...which was problem number 1 for you. I honestly felt bad for your situation.. Your car is definitely in good hands with Sharif though...
I think just like any turbo kit on the market, they all have their pros and cons. I think JWT makes great products, and definitely is superior to APS as far as service and customer service goes.Perhaps one day APS will open their eyes and evaluate their customer service relations.
Now as far as power potential and design, I see a few flaws inthe JWT kit that will surpress it's power output if one plans to do a built motor and go beyond 500whp. I also would have liked to see JWT utilize a different form of engine management and beef up the injectors and fuel system a bit, just in case...
The APS kit, I would like to see eliminate its piping clamps and use "T" clamps and a better method of mounting the BOV. ( I popped mine off at 16psi a few times)
Both kits IMO will offer the end user a superior performing car for many years if installed and properly tuned..
Now as far as power potential and design, I see a few flaws inthe JWT kit that will surpress it's power output if one plans to do a built motor and go beyond 500whp. I also would have liked to see JWT utilize a different form of engine management and beef up the injectors and fuel system a bit, just in case...
The APS kit, I would like to see eliminate its piping clamps and use "T" clamps and a better method of mounting the BOV. ( I popped mine off at 16psi a few times)
Both kits IMO will offer the end user a superior performing car for many years if installed and properly tuned..
Originally Posted by captj3
If your directing the baised comment towards me I'm not. The jwt wasn't availible when I got my kit. Only vrt in cali had done I think 2 or 3 at that time. Shipping the car there wasn't an option for me since mine is a DD. I like the jwt I didn't like the hype vrt was spreading about the kit. Not to say aps is innocent they are far from it. Now that shariff is selling them everyone that wants one will get it from him. I think jwt will release more kits IMO since they failed part of the carb test again. I agree with the majority of people he will be happy with either kit they are both good.
Originally Posted by zman1910
I was there for you kinda in a way. I offered to bring my car up to Zfever so they can compare..then I realized you had a G35 but still offered.
I didn't mean to come off like an a$$ but I have been there and talked to them and they were clueless. They also tried to get me to buy an emanage ultimate simply bc they had no experience with the Unichip. I had to show the mechanic what I wanted done as well.... Anyways I hope everything works out with your car.
The things that were wrong with your kit could be related to anything and considering that shop has no idea what they were doing I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed up a few of those things. They didn't even realize there was a supplemental kit to the G35...which was problem number 1 for you. I honestly felt bad for your situation.. Your car is definitely in good hands with Sharif though...
I didn't mean to come off like an a$$ but I have been there and talked to them and they were clueless. They also tried to get me to buy an emanage ultimate simply bc they had no experience with the Unichip. I had to show the mechanic what I wanted done as well...
. Anyways I hope everything works out with your car.The things that were wrong with your kit could be related to anything and considering that shop has no idea what they were doing I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed up a few of those things. They didn't even realize there was a supplemental kit to the G35...which was problem number 1 for you. I honestly felt bad for your situation.. Your car is definitely in good hands with Sharif though...
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Originally Posted by Bullitproof
aps tt has the larger injectors and a more compehensive engine management unit. jwt tt is produced here and you'll probably receive better customer service. both kits are very nice and produce nice numbers out the box. because i rock the aps st, i'm partial to the aps tt. plus i heard that jwt just failed another attempt at carb cert. so that means you can only have the kit installed at two shops in the whole wide world, vrt in cali and performance factory in new york. if no lag is important, i would say go for the jwt kit. if that big number is your thing, go with the aps. i'm talking only if you get the standard jwt turbos, not the 700 heavy hitters. if you upgrade those, it's a whole different ball game. do the research for yourself and you'll see you can't go wrong either way.
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Interesting thread.....I knew it was only a matter of time until this question was asked. Hahaha. 
You can't go wrong with either, how ever I've witness customer service APS
... And I have witnessed it with JWT
Unfortunatly for people not living in the North East, or the South West... It is more difficult for them to have one... That will change... I also think he will release a JWT Tunner kit with 700BB turbos for big Drag or Dynoqueen Power...
As far as anyone in the East Coast thats far away and you want a JWT TT kit PM me... We will work with you as far as transport etc...
Vinny and my self we are lookin to set up a Dyno Day.... So you can come up to see "what's up" for yourself...
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Originally Posted by barthelb
First you must decide what is most important about the kits and compare.
Also, there are more than 2 places to install the JWT TT kit.
I have an APS TT, the kit is amazing. I happen to be lucky enough to work around the corner from and have a great personal relationship with Zcargarage. They just finished up a G35 sedan with cams, JWT TT, and a whole lot of other stuff. The JWT TT kit is very nice, smooth power and just like the APS.
Service:
JWT owns the cake in this department, I have JWT Cams, Flywheel, and clutch and they have been excellent products and the service is perfect.
Aps isn't as helpful, and when they are its to tout the kit itself or belittle the tuner or user community. But they have a cool design and great kit.
Form fit:
JWT has a good fit but not excellent. I don't like how you can see the IC pipes in front of the radiator but its very nice.
APS looks amazing and their detail and fit is very good a lil better than JWT, IMO.
Performance:
JWT is very good out of the box on nearly 6psi Zcargarage was able to hit 400 and 400+ft lbs. torque.
APS has good performance out of the box but I have seen several issues, smoking turbos, bad wiring harnesses, turbo went bad. I haven't seen any issues on my car tho so I've been lucky.
Overall
imo, If i would do it all over it would be a very hard choice. I like the JWT but its not as sleek like the APS. I like the APS but the service, attitude and the fact they are half way around the world sux. If i needed a new IC how long would that take? Or any other part? JWT is local and has a very good relationship with my shop that I go to. So, it would be hard but i would probably have to go with JWT for its outstanding reputation, quality, and accessibility. Either kit is a Win/win situation as they are very top notch.
Also, there are more than 2 places to install the JWT TT kit.
I have an APS TT, the kit is amazing. I happen to be lucky enough to work around the corner from and have a great personal relationship with Zcargarage. They just finished up a G35 sedan with cams, JWT TT, and a whole lot of other stuff. The JWT TT kit is very nice, smooth power and just like the APS.
Service:
JWT owns the cake in this department, I have JWT Cams, Flywheel, and clutch and they have been excellent products and the service is perfect.
Aps isn't as helpful, and when they are its to tout the kit itself or belittle the tuner or user community. But they have a cool design and great kit.
Form fit:
JWT has a good fit but not excellent. I don't like how you can see the IC pipes in front of the radiator but its very nice.
APS looks amazing and their detail and fit is very good a lil better than JWT, IMO.
Performance:
JWT is very good out of the box on nearly 6psi Zcargarage was able to hit 400 and 400+ft lbs. torque.
APS has good performance out of the box but I have seen several issues, smoking turbos, bad wiring harnesses, turbo went bad. I haven't seen any issues on my car tho so I've been lucky.
Overall
imo, If i would do it all over it would be a very hard choice. I like the JWT but its not as sleek like the APS. I like the APS but the service, attitude and the fact they are half way around the world sux. If i needed a new IC how long would that take? Or any other part? JWT is local and has a very good relationship with my shop that I go to. So, it would be hard but i would probably have to go with JWT for its outstanding reputation, quality, and accessibility. Either kit is a Win/win situation as they are very top notch.
Who's the third??? "Z Car Garage"???
looking to the dyno graphs of the JWT kits they seem to be more promising then APS with less turbo lag and higher numbers. It's also good that you have the option to put larger turbos in that kit. You dont have much space to put larger turbos with the APS kit. On the other hand prolly APS has more R&D in their kit and its a better all around kit imho.
Originally Posted by mistaboosta
. It's also good that you have the option to put larger turbos in that kit. You dont have much space to put larger turbos with the APS kit. .
Originally Posted by barthelb
First you must decide what is most important about the kits and compare.
Also, there are more than 2 places to install the JWT TT kit.
I have an APS TT, the kit is amazing. I happen to be lucky enough to work around the corner from and have a great personal relationship with Zcargarage. They just finished up a G35 sedan with cams, JWT TT, and a whole lot of other stuff. The JWT TT kit is very nice, smooth power and just like the APS.
Service:
JWT owns the cake in this department, I have JWT Cams, Flywheel, and clutch and they have been excellent products and the service is perfect.
Aps isn't as helpful, and when they are its to tout the kit itself or belittle the tuner or user community. But they have a cool design and great kit.
Form fit:
JWT has a good fit but not excellent. I don't like how you can see the IC pipes in front of the radiator but its very nice.
APS looks amazing and their detail and fit is very good a lil better than JWT, IMO.
Performance:
JWT is very good out of the box on nearly 6psi Zcargarage was able to hit 400 and 400+ft lbs. torque.
APS has good performance out of the box but I have seen several issues, smoking turbos, bad wiring harnesses, turbo went bad. I haven't seen any issues on my car tho so I've been lucky.
Overall
imo, If i would do it all over it would be a very hard choice. I like the JWT but its not as sleek like the APS. I like the APS but the service, attitude and the fact they are half way around the world sux. If i needed a new IC how long would that take? Or any other part? JWT is local and has a very good relationship with my shop that I go to. So, it would be hard but i would probably have to go with JWT for its outstanding reputation, quality, and accessibility. Either kit is a Win/win situation as they are very top notch.
Also, there are more than 2 places to install the JWT TT kit.
I have an APS TT, the kit is amazing. I happen to be lucky enough to work around the corner from and have a great personal relationship with Zcargarage. They just finished up a G35 sedan with cams, JWT TT, and a whole lot of other stuff. The JWT TT kit is very nice, smooth power and just like the APS.
Service:
JWT owns the cake in this department, I have JWT Cams, Flywheel, and clutch and they have been excellent products and the service is perfect.
Aps isn't as helpful, and when they are its to tout the kit itself or belittle the tuner or user community. But they have a cool design and great kit.
Form fit:
JWT has a good fit but not excellent. I don't like how you can see the IC pipes in front of the radiator but its very nice.
APS looks amazing and their detail and fit is very good a lil better than JWT, IMO.
Performance:
JWT is very good out of the box on nearly 6psi Zcargarage was able to hit 400 and 400+ft lbs. torque.
APS has good performance out of the box but I have seen several issues, smoking turbos, bad wiring harnesses, turbo went bad. I haven't seen any issues on my car tho so I've been lucky.
Overall
imo, If i would do it all over it would be a very hard choice. I like the JWT but its not as sleek like the APS. I like the APS but the service, attitude and the fact they are half way around the world sux. If i needed a new IC how long would that take? Or any other part? JWT is local and has a very good relationship with my shop that I go to. So, it would be hard but i would probably have to go with JWT for its outstanding reputation, quality, and accessibility. Either kit is a Win/win situation as they are very top notch.
BOTH KITS ARE EXCELLENT
We have obviously had tremendous success with JWT and we are going to make 800+ WHP (with upgrades and build) on my car this next week. In addition, it is most certainly a daily driver even in this week's heavy rain.
Bottom-line:
IMO, JWT and APS are using the best turbos, Honeywell's Garrett ball bearing GT28s. So you can't fail with either in terms of the PRODUCT'S performance, lag, spooling, and more.
HOWEVER - The Issues MOST of you don't mention or talk about are the INSTALLING PARTIES and TUNING.
Don't forget this FOLKS. VERY VERY IMPORTANT...If you don't know, now you know.
TUNING is key. KEY for power, safety, and reliability. Doesn't matter what kit you have, JWT, Greddy, APS, TN or whatever - if it is tuned like Sh**!
KABOOM...
Regardless of the turbos, kits, injectors, intercooler, fuel return, or how they look/color coating or fit or sound.
KABOOM....
We have seen SOOO many motors recently with WHOLES IN THEM, bearings in pieces just running around killing everthing through the oil like a cancer. Even stock motors with cranks scratched and scorched, heads and cams burned, and lovely oil - coolant - and more ooozing out of the cars brains.
We have rebuilt or are rebuilding them AND to our surprise with the customer in disgust - changed their entire past kits to JWT because of poor tuning, motor building, and installation and NOT THE KIT they were using. The kits and the products were fine, it was the TUNER that failed and the customers EXPECTATIONS were let down.
Alot of time folks have expectations through word of mouth - that no matter what kit, simply because of the TUNE and basic limitations OR LACK OF OCTANE they are disappointed. Thus...
Good luck with the choices.
M
Last edited by mraturbo; Mar 19, 2006 at 03:10 PM.
Originally Posted by 1G-350Z
Yea I was waiting for this as well...
You can't go wrong with either, how ever I've witness customer service APS ... And I have witnessed it with JWT Unfortunatly for people not living in the North East, or the South West... It is more difficult for them to have one... That will change... I also think he will release a JWT Tunner kit with 700BB turbos for big Drag or Dynoqueen Power...
As far as anyone in the East Coast thats far away and you want a JWT TT kit PM me... We will work with you as far as transport etc...
Vinny and my self we are lookin to set up a Dyno Day.... So you can come up to see "what's up" for yourself...
You can't go wrong with either, how ever I've witness customer service APS
... And I have witnessed it with JWT Unfortunatly for people not living in the North East, or the South West... It is more difficult for them to have one... That will change... I also think he will release a JWT Tunner kit with 700BB turbos for big Drag or Dynoqueen Power... As far as anyone in the East Coast thats far away and you want a JWT TT kit PM me... We will work with you as far as transport etc...
Vinny and my self we are lookin to set up a Dyno Day.... So you can come up to see "what's up" for yourself...
Dont take this the wrong way, but how have you personally witnessed APS customer service? Im just curious,have you owned APS products?
I will agree that APS customer service needs some "tough love"..
Also, If your going to advetise PM's services on this forum, why dont you have them become sponsors and stop attempting to take business away from PAYING vendors/Sponsors via PM..