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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 05:08 AM
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like the title says,i would think it would cool the intake charge a good amount which seems to be a problem with a roots type s/c.but would the cylinder pressure be through the roof,btw or have anybody tried this on a cent s/c.ps this is not another stillen flaming war ok.
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by superchargedg
like the title says,i would think it would cool the intake charge a good amount which seems to be a problem with a roots type s/c.but would the cylinder pressure be through the roof,btw or have anybody tried this on a cent s/c.ps this is not another stillen flaming war ok.

Do the methyl and water injection.. No harm to the motor at all... Lasts longer.. Dramatic decrease in intake air temp. When I "WOT" on my SC G-35 I would expect the intake air to rise due to more friction in the air. On my temp gauge the air temp will drop one degree "C" every second until it hits about 16 degrees celcius.

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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 05:45 AM
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Do the methyl and water injection.. No harm to the motor at all... Lasts longer.. Dramatic decrease in intake air temp. When I "WOT" on my SC G-35 I would expect the intake air to rise due to more friction in the air. On my temp gauge the air temp will drop one degree "C" every second until it hits about 16 degrees celcius.

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did you notice any power increase,and i also heard that water/meth inj would allow you to run more timing.but i cant figure how you would up the timing since stillen uses a locked split second box.
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did you notice any power increase,and i also heard that water/meth inj would allow you to run more timing.but i cant figure how you would up the timing since stillen uses a locked split second box.

You are always going to notice a power difference w/ cooler air. Obviously its not like a 75 or 100 shot of NOS, but running cooler numbers is a positive all the way around. And yes I notice a power difference when the methyl injection kicks in. I like that you have security that the air will be nice and COOL.
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you will loose power with WI if you don't tune for it. If you tune for it you loose the safety you are going for because if your WI kit takes a dump on you then you are left with a more aggressive tune and no WI.
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Originally Posted by superchargedg
like the title says,i would think it would cool the intake charge a good amount which seems to be a problem with a roots type s/c.but would the cylinder pressure be through the roof,btw or have anybody tried this on a cent s/c.ps this is not another stillen flaming war ok.
I am actually in the same boat, would like to throw a small shot on top of my procharger. Im running 7psi with the procharger crappy FMU and stock injectors/pump. Would a small 25-30shot be ok?
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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you will loose power with WI if you don't tune for it. If you tune for it you loose the safety you are going for because if your WI kit takes a dump on you then you are left with a more aggressive tune and no WI.
The above post articulates exactly what my fear is with water/meth injection. I was hoping to tune for forced induction withOUT depending on the water/meth injection. Then just use the water/meth injection as an extra safety feature to help ensure no detonation. Are you pretty sure using water/meth this way would throw the power and tuning off? If so, I am going to just rely on running the sunoco GT+ 105 octane unleaded at the track for a saftey factor (but tune for the 93 octane gas so I don't have to run the 105 octane all the time on the street).
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Originally Posted by superchargedg
like the title says,i would think it would cool the intake charge a good amount which seems to be a problem with a roots type s/c.but would the cylinder pressure be through the roof,btw or have anybody tried this on a cent s/c.ps this is not another stillen flaming war ok.
Has anyone run nitrous with their stillen or not? I've been thinking it would be a interesting setup. I bet it would run serious numbers.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 04:33 AM
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Has anyone run nitrous with their stillen or not? I've been thinking it would be a interesting setup. I bet it would run serious numbers.
shortly ill be trying a 50 shot and see what happens.im putting stage 4 on in the next week or two.then in about a month n2o.
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I have thought about it with mine but it seems too risky since I have stage 4 right now making ~8.5psi on stock internals.
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I dont think you can run water injection in the intake track of a twin screw supercharger. I beleive that the rotors can be damaged by the H2o. I was doing some similiar research on that as well. I would think that the best alternative would be a wet nitrous set up with a custom nossle for like 10hp. although that hp increas may be small it may cool down the intake charge for a little margin of safety. Only problem with that is that nitrous runs out much faster then Met/water. So do some research on weather or not you can run water through roots blower. I think mike from violent racing was experimenting with these set ups. Maybe he will chime in
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Originally Posted by superchargedg
shortly ill be trying a 50 shot and see what happens.im putting stage 4 on in the next week or two.then in about a month n2o.
KABOOM, i dont know any FI car that runs a 50 shot on the street with stock internals. You know you just want the purge kit
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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KABOOM, i dont know any FI car that runs a 50 shot on the street with stock internals. You know you just want the purge kit
nah to old to want to look like a neon owner.i been looking and researching here(yes newbs you can use the search it does work) but all the info ive come across say,s yes you can but build the block first.so not going that way yet.
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Originally Posted by kevinbonds
I dont think you can run water injection in the intake track of a twin screw supercharger. I beleive that the rotors can be damaged by the H2o. I was doing some similiar research on that as well. I would think that the best alternative would be a wet nitrous set up with a custom nossle for like 10hp. although that hp increas may be small it may cool down the intake charge for a little margin of safety. Only problem with that is that nitrous runs out much faster then Met/water. So do some research on weather or not you can run water through roots blower. I think mike from violent racing was experimenting with these set ups. Maybe he will chime in
Running water/meth injection is somewhat common in the Lightning community and it is introduced before the blower. We have a very nice intercooloer setup from the factory, so most guys don't get much benefit from using injection. The Stillen intercooler setup is weak in my opinion, so there may be more benefit running injection than the Lightning guys see.

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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 10:17 AM
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Is any Stillen owner out there running water/meth setup?. I'm thinking of getting Coolingmist kit
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WI isnt going to really do anything with a SC, maybe lower the AF, turbo is another story
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I have the coolingmist kit on my Stillen blower. When I went to stage 4 I was starting to ping above 7.5psi (~6k rpm) plus it is 115+ degrees here in the summer so it was for peace of mind.
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Anyone try nos with the Stillen yet?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TIMMAHH
Anyone try nos with the Stillen yet?
i was going to untill i checked with a few n2o companies.basically they said with the blower and nitrous the cylinder pressures would be way to high for a stock block.they all said it would run fine a few times and then boom,unless you built the motor to handle the pressure.
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That's what I figured.

I guess it is time to sell my old nos kit I was keeping around just in case.
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