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Great points Eagle1. When it comes to FI I'm still just a wishful thinker on the outside looking in, but I have really been watching VRT and what they do with the JWT kit. I have to say I can't wait to get the money together. I know I can have them do the install and tune with great confidence that I will have a kit that does all I need it too and as safely as possible. It's been good to see the guys at VRT convert the haters one by one.
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Originally Posted by Eagle1
Yep, the dyno on my car is from Jim Wolf's dynapak, and he and Clark tuned my car, and many if not all of the VRT built motor TT cars, themselves. They tune cars like a piano tuner works a Steinway...it takes them HOURS as they meticulously fiddle and tweak. It is a labor of love and passion for cars, not business only. And I think in some of the pics and videos that Mike has you can see one or both of them doing their thing on the cars.
Stop for just a moment, if we can, and reflect on the number of VRT cars out there now with the JWT TT kit. It is not a huge number, but the collective number of track days on them is pretty substantial. Many of these cars have more than a dozen days of four and five sessions of 25 minutes each, pushing huge amounts of power, going all out around a race track. And how many motors have failed in the process because of a defective build or a less than perfect tune? Does the number ZERO have any significance?
And how many of our comrades have come from shops with high enthusiasm and a big FI build....only to have it blow up on the ride home on city streets without even being pushed? The threads on the internet forums are rife with those experiences. But not here. The cars are being run, run hard, and run for fun. You drive it there, drive it as fast as you can on the track, and then drive it home. And then the next day to work. Dropping the kids off at school, grabbing some groceries on the way home, taking a trip up the coast to visit grandma the next weekend, and back to the track the week after that. I love this car. A 1:25 at Streets of Willow, a 1:58 at Cal Speedway, sure there are guys younger and faster, but for an old fogie like me....no complaints boys. And yes.....just imagine what a "real" driver could do in that car instead of me. It is mind boggling. I am not sure which impressed Anthony more when he rode shotgun with me.......the car passing the Ferrari and Evo on the high side of the ROVAL at approx 140mph....or the old guy at the wheel not having to adjust his colostomy bag half way through the turn because we were pulling over 1g doing it!
Stop for just a moment, if we can, and reflect on the number of VRT cars out there now with the JWT TT kit. It is not a huge number, but the collective number of track days on them is pretty substantial. Many of these cars have more than a dozen days of four and five sessions of 25 minutes each, pushing huge amounts of power, going all out around a race track. And how many motors have failed in the process because of a defective build or a less than perfect tune? Does the number ZERO have any significance?
And how many of our comrades have come from shops with high enthusiasm and a big FI build....only to have it blow up on the ride home on city streets without even being pushed? The threads on the internet forums are rife with those experiences. But not here. The cars are being run, run hard, and run for fun. You drive it there, drive it as fast as you can on the track, and then drive it home. And then the next day to work. Dropping the kids off at school, grabbing some groceries on the way home, taking a trip up the coast to visit grandma the next weekend, and back to the track the week after that. I love this car. A 1:25 at Streets of Willow, a 1:58 at Cal Speedway, sure there are guys younger and faster, but for an old fogie like me....no complaints boys. And yes.....just imagine what a "real" driver could do in that car instead of me. It is mind boggling. I am not sure which impressed Anthony more when he rode shotgun with me.......the car passing the Ferrari and Evo on the high side of the ROVAL at approx 140mph....or the old guy at the wheel not having to adjust his colostomy bag half way through the turn because we were pulling over 1g doing it!
Good post, how old are you old man, I am 49....
Originally Posted by Eagle1
Thanks Sharif. And yes, a run on Road Atlanta would be just awesome. Alas it is not like jumping on your friendly Delta flight with golf clubs to play a round. The equipment is a lot bulkier!!! But I will not give up the dream. A truck, a trailer, a rack of spare wheels and tires, and passes to great track days around the US. The auto equivalent of the old surfing movie, Endless Summer.
Now that I am running my own business, I have about zero days of vacation a year. Ah, sometimes I miss the corporate life...but...not very often.
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
IIRC, you are an accountant/attorney...right? It's been so long since we've met in person (at least 2 years), so forgive me if goofed. Anyways, my point, is that you must have at least 4-6 weeks of vacation a year. A road trip is sounding better and better.
Now that I am running my own business, I have about zero days of vacation a year. Ah, sometimes I miss the corporate life...but...not very often.
Now that I am running my own business, I have about zero days of vacation a year. Ah, sometimes I miss the corporate life...but...not very often.
And Race Them as often as possible. I would love to make it the Atlanta for some racing ...
M
Well I Guess we will have to Spend some time with you.
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
IIRC, you are an accountant/attorney...right? It's been so long since we've met in person (at least 2 years), so forgive me if goofed. Anyways, my point, is that you must have at least 4-6 weeks of vacation a year. A road trip is sounding better and better.
Now that I am running my own business, I have about zero days of vacation a year. Ah, sometimes I miss the corporate life...but...not very often.
Now that I am running my own business, I have about zero days of vacation a year. Ah, sometimes I miss the corporate life...but...not very often.
John Hotchkis was out there for the tail of the dragon, and gave Tony the T-shirt.
I have a few free buck's since I gave up my last concubine..
Cheers Amy
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Here are the laptimes from the Speedventures event at Streets of Willow for May 14th this year running the same configuration that SCC Magazine ran my car on, with their timing and a 1:25.667 lap time (Scott driving, not me!)
General Class Place Points Timing Name Car # Laptime Speed Make Model Year Tires HP
3 1 10 Terry Free 01:25.347 75.93 Corvette Z06 2006 Race 505
3 2 6 GP 01:27.365 74.17 Dodge Viper 1998 Slicks 450
3 3 4 Gary Peterson 01:27.365 74.17 Dodge Viper 1998 Slicks 450
5 1 10 Richard 350z 01:34.374 68.66 Mitsubishi Lancer 2004 Race 400
5 2 6 CarlC 01:35.379 67.94 Chevrolet Camaro 1968 Race 350
6 1 10 TrackDayHookey 01:28.615 73.13 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Race 300
6 2 6 Walter Chen 01:29.179 72.66 Honda S2000 2005 Race 240
6 3 4 HunterEz 01:30.738 71.41 Honda S2000 2003 Race 240
6 4 3 dimka1 01:30.855 71.32 BMW M3 1995 Race 240
6 5 2 kjechel 01:31.892 70.52 Honda S2000 2003 Race 240
6 6 1 Good-Win Racing LLC 01:31.995 70.44 Mazda Miata 6 Race 170
6 7 0 aaron90245 01:38.266 65.94 PORSCHE 911 1999 Street 300
6 8 0 assassinspaintball.com 01:42.073 63.48 Nissan 350Z 2003 Race 287
7 1 10 Nimbus 01:29.722 72.22 Honda S2000 2006 Race 237
7 2 6 Gpunsalan 01:34.500 68.57 Honda s2000 2005 Street 240
7 3 4 desert tortoise 01:35.287 68.01 Mazda Miata 1990 Race 138
7 4 3 Mkey3 01:36.119 67.42 BMW M3 1997 Street 240
7 5 2 alejo 01:36.465 67.17 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
7 6 1 alcino 01:36.591 67.09 Ford mustang 1976 Race 230
7 7 0 BWood 01:36.783 66.95 Mazda Miata 1995 Race 140
7 8 0 Gene B 01:37.141 66.71 Acura NSX 1998 Street 290
7 9 0 mzaiderman 01:37.167 66.69 BMW Z4 2005 Street 225
7 10 0 Dennis 01:37.715 66.32 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
7 11 0 Big Bro Racing 01:38.224 65.97 Mazda RX-8 2004 Street 240
7 12 0 kgb006 01:38.925 65.5 Honda S2000 2005 Street 237
7 13 0 simons2k 01:39.750 64.96 Honda S2000 2002 Street 240
7 14 0 patrick 01:43.193 62.79 toyota mr2 1985 Race 100
8 1 10 Bustriajb 01:33.149 69.57 subaru wrx 2004 Race 227
8 2 6 yeloblr 01:36.250 67.32 Ford Mustang 2006 Street 275
8 3 4 alex chang 01:37.972 66.14 acura integra 1998 Street 195
8 4 3 AlexC 01:37.972 66.14 acura integra 1998 Street 195
8 5 2 Allan CVhilders 01:39.885 64.87 Mazda Miata 2003 Street 140
8 6 1 Kevin Sutton 01:42.348 63.31 BMW m3 1999 Street 250
8 7 0 Ian Jennings 01:42.542 63.19 Subaru 2.5 2005 Street 170
8 8 0 Jon Stevens 01:44.919 61.76 Subaru Impreza WRX 2003 Street 250
9 1 10 Daryl Lai 01:37.881 66.2 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
NC 1 10 Alex F. 01:25.288 75.98 Porsche 993, 1997 Race 282
NC 2 6 Steve Abbott 01:26.880 74.59
NC 3 4 Click to set name 01:28.487 73.23
NC 4 3 William@e-autosports 01:28.548 73.18 HONDA S2000 AP2 2006 Race 237
NC 5 2 Wing 01:32.002 70.43 Mitsubishi Evo VIII 2004 Race 400
NC 6 1 thx247 01:34.786 68.36 Nissan 240sx 1993 Street 140
NC 7 0 dreamspeed 01:35.122 68.12 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2002 Race 500
NC 8 0 TerryLiu 01:35.652 67.75 Mitsubishi EVO IX 6 Street 286
NC 9 0 terry liu 01:35.652 67.75 Mitsubishi EVO IX 6 Street 286
NC 10 0 Darin Gangi 01:36.038 67.47 Chevrolet Camaro 97 Street 325
NC 11 0 Click to set name 01:36.056 67.46
NC 12 0 SpEEdWayZO6 01:36.451 67.18 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 2001 Street 385
NC 13 0 Rick GM 01:36.841 66.91 Subaru STi 4 Street 330
NC 14 0 Erik Steinkamp 01:37.978 66.14
NC 15 0 abv 01:37.985 66.13
NC 16 0 abv 01:37.985 66.13
NC 17 0 lopey 01:38.360 65.88 Honda Integra 2000 Race 230
NC 18 0 JLu1295 01:39.135 65.37 Nissan 240SX 1991 Street 150
NC 19 0 JLu1295 01:39.135 65.37 Nissan 240SX 1991 Street 150
NC 20 0 peter 01:39.235 65.3 Audi A4 2004 Street 200
NC 21 0 Regan Hsu 01:39.373 65.21 Audi A4 1.8T 2004 Street 170
NC 22 0 AHuang 01:40.603 64.41 Audi TT 2002 Street 225
NC 23 0 rocky 01:41.519 63.83 LEXUS GS400 1998 Street 300
NC 24 0 Matt Rickman 01:43.136 62.83 MINI Cooper S 2004 Street 200
NC 25 0 Joe Cisneros 01:44.724 61.88 subaru impreza wrx 2004 Street 265
NC 26 0 RLux 01:51.412 58.16 Mitsubishi Mirage 1997 Street 100
NC 27 0 sgevo 01:55.457 56.12 Mitsubishi Lancer 5 Race
Notes:
"Slicks" denote full racing slicks.
Generally thought to be 4+ seconds faster than DOT-R's.
"RACE" Tires are Dot-R tires; eg. Hoosier R3S03, Kumho Victoracers, Yoko A032R, etc.
"STREET" Tires are non-R compounds; eg. Bridgestone S02's, Falkens, etc.
Generally thought to be 2-4 seconds slower than a good DOT-R Tire.
"- R" denotes a weight-stripped race car
General Class Place Points Timing Name Car # Laptime Speed Make Model Year Tires HP
3 1 10 Terry Free 01:25.347 75.93 Corvette Z06 2006 Race 505
3 2 6 GP 01:27.365 74.17 Dodge Viper 1998 Slicks 450
3 3 4 Gary Peterson 01:27.365 74.17 Dodge Viper 1998 Slicks 450
5 1 10 Richard 350z 01:34.374 68.66 Mitsubishi Lancer 2004 Race 400
5 2 6 CarlC 01:35.379 67.94 Chevrolet Camaro 1968 Race 350
6 1 10 TrackDayHookey 01:28.615 73.13 Subaru WRX STi 2005 Race 300
6 2 6 Walter Chen 01:29.179 72.66 Honda S2000 2005 Race 240
6 3 4 HunterEz 01:30.738 71.41 Honda S2000 2003 Race 240
6 4 3 dimka1 01:30.855 71.32 BMW M3 1995 Race 240
6 5 2 kjechel 01:31.892 70.52 Honda S2000 2003 Race 240
6 6 1 Good-Win Racing LLC 01:31.995 70.44 Mazda Miata 6 Race 170
6 7 0 aaron90245 01:38.266 65.94 PORSCHE 911 1999 Street 300
6 8 0 assassinspaintball.com 01:42.073 63.48 Nissan 350Z 2003 Race 287
7 1 10 Nimbus 01:29.722 72.22 Honda S2000 2006 Race 237
7 2 6 Gpunsalan 01:34.500 68.57 Honda s2000 2005 Street 240
7 3 4 desert tortoise 01:35.287 68.01 Mazda Miata 1990 Race 138
7 4 3 Mkey3 01:36.119 67.42 BMW M3 1997 Street 240
7 5 2 alejo 01:36.465 67.17 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
7 6 1 alcino 01:36.591 67.09 Ford mustang 1976 Race 230
7 7 0 BWood 01:36.783 66.95 Mazda Miata 1995 Race 140
7 8 0 Gene B 01:37.141 66.71 Acura NSX 1998 Street 290
7 9 0 mzaiderman 01:37.167 66.69 BMW Z4 2005 Street 225
7 10 0 Dennis 01:37.715 66.32 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
7 11 0 Big Bro Racing 01:38.224 65.97 Mazda RX-8 2004 Street 240
7 12 0 kgb006 01:38.925 65.5 Honda S2000 2005 Street 237
7 13 0 simons2k 01:39.750 64.96 Honda S2000 2002 Street 240
7 14 0 patrick 01:43.193 62.79 toyota mr2 1985 Race 100
8 1 10 Bustriajb 01:33.149 69.57 subaru wrx 2004 Race 227
8 2 6 yeloblr 01:36.250 67.32 Ford Mustang 2006 Street 275
8 3 4 alex chang 01:37.972 66.14 acura integra 1998 Street 195
8 4 3 AlexC 01:37.972 66.14 acura integra 1998 Street 195
8 5 2 Allan CVhilders 01:39.885 64.87 Mazda Miata 2003 Street 140
8 6 1 Kevin Sutton 01:42.348 63.31 BMW m3 1999 Street 250
8 7 0 Ian Jennings 01:42.542 63.19 Subaru 2.5 2005 Street 170
8 8 0 Jon Stevens 01:44.919 61.76 Subaru Impreza WRX 2003 Street 250
9 1 10 Daryl Lai 01:37.881 66.2 Honda S2000 2005 Street 240
NC 1 10 Alex F. 01:25.288 75.98 Porsche 993, 1997 Race 282
NC 2 6 Steve Abbott 01:26.880 74.59
NC 3 4 Click to set name 01:28.487 73.23
NC 4 3 William@e-autosports 01:28.548 73.18 HONDA S2000 AP2 2006 Race 237
NC 5 2 Wing 01:32.002 70.43 Mitsubishi Evo VIII 2004 Race 400
NC 6 1 thx247 01:34.786 68.36 Nissan 240sx 1993 Street 140
NC 7 0 dreamspeed 01:35.122 68.12 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2002 Race 500
NC 8 0 TerryLiu 01:35.652 67.75 Mitsubishi EVO IX 6 Street 286
NC 9 0 terry liu 01:35.652 67.75 Mitsubishi EVO IX 6 Street 286
NC 10 0 Darin Gangi 01:36.038 67.47 Chevrolet Camaro 97 Street 325
NC 11 0 Click to set name 01:36.056 67.46
NC 12 0 SpEEdWayZO6 01:36.451 67.18 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 2001 Street 385
NC 13 0 Rick GM 01:36.841 66.91 Subaru STi 4 Street 330
NC 14 0 Erik Steinkamp 01:37.978 66.14
NC 15 0 abv 01:37.985 66.13
NC 16 0 abv 01:37.985 66.13
NC 17 0 lopey 01:38.360 65.88 Honda Integra 2000 Race 230
NC 18 0 JLu1295 01:39.135 65.37 Nissan 240SX 1991 Street 150
NC 19 0 JLu1295 01:39.135 65.37 Nissan 240SX 1991 Street 150
NC 20 0 peter 01:39.235 65.3 Audi A4 2004 Street 200
NC 21 0 Regan Hsu 01:39.373 65.21 Audi A4 1.8T 2004 Street 170
NC 22 0 AHuang 01:40.603 64.41 Audi TT 2002 Street 225
NC 23 0 rocky 01:41.519 63.83 LEXUS GS400 1998 Street 300
NC 24 0 Matt Rickman 01:43.136 62.83 MINI Cooper S 2004 Street 200
NC 25 0 Joe Cisneros 01:44.724 61.88 subaru impreza wrx 2004 Street 265
NC 26 0 RLux 01:51.412 58.16 Mitsubishi Mirage 1997 Street 100
NC 27 0 sgevo 01:55.457 56.12 Mitsubishi Lancer 5 Race
Notes:
"Slicks" denote full racing slicks.
Generally thought to be 4+ seconds faster than DOT-R's.
"RACE" Tires are Dot-R tires; eg. Hoosier R3S03, Kumho Victoracers, Yoko A032R, etc.
"STREET" Tires are non-R compounds; eg. Bridgestone S02's, Falkens, etc.
Generally thought to be 2-4 seconds slower than a good DOT-R Tire.
"- R" denotes a weight-stripped race car
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Hey Eagle1, I always enjoy your posts. That last one is tough to read though. If that originally came as a formatted table and all-pretty-like, you can wrap the table with a combination VB HTML tag , and within that use the <PRE> tag in HTML. If this seems too complex, pm me and I'll give you my email; I'll format and post it for you.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Originally Posted by Aquineas
Hey Eagle1, I always enjoy your posts. That last one is tough to read though. If that originally came as a formatted table and all-pretty-like, you can wrap the table with a combination VB HTML tag , and within that use the <PRE> tag in HTML. If this seems too complex, pm me and I'll give you my email; I'll format and post it for you.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Originally Posted by Eagle1
Here are the laptimes from the Speedventures event at Streets of Willow for May 14th this year running the same configuration that SCC Magazine ran my car on, with their timing and a 1:25.667 lap time (Scott driving, not me!)
Really not too important. They are simply lap times yet are also listed below. Eagle was simply pointing out to Philthy that our VRT cars can run fast lap times with with right driver. My associate at VRT, Scott/Wa2good is a very fast driver and drove Eagle's (Ed's) car for Sports Compact Magazine for the Article currently on the news stands. Here is a link to the same table.
http://speedventures.com/event_results.asp
Thanks Again Aquineas
Last edited by mraturbo; May 28, 2006 at 10:03 AM.
I agree 100% Ed....there is something to be said for the reliability of these cars as well as the performance. Speaking from experience, I had a Greddy TT and blew up an engine on the freeway going 85 to 90. I know the way these cars are driven is to the fullest! I can't wait for the next track day!
Originally Posted by Aquineas
Hey Eagle1, I always enjoy your posts. That last one is tough to read though. If that originally came as a formatted table and all-pretty-like, you can wrap the table with a combination VB HTML tag , and within that use the <PRE> tag in HTML. If this seems too complex, pm me and I'll give you my email; I'll format and post it for you.
Cheers!
Cheers!
The driver element of good results is tremendously significant. Certainly top drivers will garner 5 seconds or more per lap over a merely good driver in the same car. On a race track, that is HUGE. Think about it......in twenty laps you will be lapped at least once, and maybe twice. In a single lap with such a driver he/she (tip of the hat to Ms. Patrick today), will be so far ahead as to be not visible to you on virtually any road racing circuit. That is some serious humble pie to eat!
Cheers.
(And kudos to Alonzo at Monaco today!)
Originally Posted by Eagle1
I apologize for that mess! I had it all set up in columns, nice and neat, and then when I pushed the submit button it got all compressed. Just go to the link Mike inserted above and you can get all of them. The bottom line is that when you put a REAL driver in the car you get REAL results. I am not bad, but I am not a "competitive" level driver either. When you get over fifty you have to be more acutely aware of your limitations, and the fact that I "used" to be gifted with wonderful coordination and reflexes does not count today...because today I simply am not so fortunate. It goes away. As Lee Trevino said.."The older I get, the better I used to be!"
The driver element of good results is tremendously significant. Certainly top drivers will garner 5 seconds or more per lap over a merely good driver in the same car. On a race track, that is HUGE. Think about it......in twenty laps you will be lapped at least once, and maybe twice. In a single lap with such a driver he/she (tip of the hat to Ms. Patrick today), will be so far ahead as to be not visible to you on virtually any road racing circuit. That is some serious humble pie to eat!
Cheers.
(And kudos to Alonzo at Monaco today!)
The driver element of good results is tremendously significant. Certainly top drivers will garner 5 seconds or more per lap over a merely good driver in the same car. On a race track, that is HUGE. Think about it......in twenty laps you will be lapped at least once, and maybe twice. In a single lap with such a driver he/she (tip of the hat to Ms. Patrick today), will be so far ahead as to be not visible to you on virtually any road racing circuit. That is some serious humble pie to eat!
Cheers.
(And kudos to Alonzo at Monaco today!)
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