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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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Default Will an ST setup do better on a drag strip then a TT?

that being said, obviously the ST will be running larger turbos: GT40 or GT42
if the TT are GT25 (same as the ones used in the APS kit)
which setup would be expected to run a quicker 1/4 mile?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 02:00 AM
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 04:11 AM
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Given the same power level, it comes down to the driver/setup. The twins down low advantage is gone at the dragstrip, Im never under 5000rpm's the entire run...
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 04:56 AM
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I can imagine a high-horsepower TT kit being easier to launch than a high-power ST kit because of the more linear first gear (this is theoretical, I know you don't boost that much in first anyways) but aside from the launch, no. As Alberto said, once you're in 2nd you're never going to worry about turbo lag again.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 06:25 AM
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It depends on the car. A lot of drag cars run one very large single turbo to make the power they want from the car....
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
It depends on the car. A lot of drag cars run one very large single turbo to make the power they want from the car....
Reason being they launch the car at higher RPMs so the lag from a single turbo isn't an issue.

Totally depends on which turbo system you use as well.

Where will you make and sustain peak torque?

TRACTION and SUSPENSION, tires, psi in the tires, etc are AS if not even more important than the turbo size for the dragstrip IMO...

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well, i can tell you that i had several head-to-head races with an APS TT at the drag strip, in my APS ST. i was able to get the jump on him every time and i had a power advantage in the lower rpm range for sure. the torque is higher, and that's what counts in drag racing.
at the time, my whp was actually lower than his.
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Originally Posted by mraturbo
Reason being they launch the car at higher RPMs so the lag from a single turbo isn't an issue.

Totally depends on which turbo system you use as well.

Where will you make and sustain peak torque?

TRACTION and SUSPENSION, tires, psi in the tires, etc are AS if not even more important than the turbo size for the dragstrip IMO...

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Like I said. It depends on the car...
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Originally Posted by dirtroad
well, i can tell you that i had several head-to-head races with an APS TT at the drag strip, in my APS ST. i was able to get the jump on him every time and i had a power advantage in the lower rpm range for sure. the torque is higher, and that's what counts in drag racing.
at the time, my whp was actually lower than his.

Ever stop to think that the driver just might have had something to do with that?
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Like I said. It depends on the car...
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Originally Posted by dirtroad
well, i can tell you that i had several head-to-head races with an APS TT at the drag strip, in my APS ST. i was able to get the jump on him every time and i had a power advantage in the lower rpm range for sure. the torque is higher, and that's what counts in drag racing.
at the time, my whp was actually lower than his.
him = bad driver?
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All of the very quick times to date are from twin turbo engines.
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Originally Posted by georgec
All of the very quick times to date are from twin turbo engines.
Are you talking Z street times? Or pro cars...Cause if you are talking pro I beg to differ...
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And if your talking street yes by a few tenths the TT guys are faster, but wait till I even the whp with the leaders (460whp) we'll see different
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Are you talking Z street times?
Street cars, twins are always quickest, never seen a single go quicker than a high 11.9 to date.

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Or pro cars...Cause if you are talking pro I beg to differ...
With pro cars most classes only allow one power adder from memory - that counts out quicker twin turbo cars being run in that class.
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Originally Posted by georgec
Street cars, twins are always quickest, never seen a single go quicker than a high 11.9 to date.

With pro cars most classes only allow one power adder from memory - that counts out quicker twin turbo cars being run in that class.
A high 11.9 with a 50 or more HP disadvantage. As pro cars I'm talking import drags. There are some fast cars with twins (Ara Arslanian Twin Turbonetics Y2K powered Solara) but most are only running a single big turbo.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 09:11 AM
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^^Exactly, there are tons of 450+whp twins on this site, and less than a handful of guys with 11 sec slips. In the ST world, there are only a handful of people with 450+whp and only 1 with an 11 sec slip Wait till that guy matches the power level of the twins running mid 11's, nobody will say the twins are quicker then. I stick by my original post regarding power level, set up and driver.
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Hey alberto, were you running slicks? i was about to get some drag radials for my stock 18's and wanted to know what to expect timewise at the track.
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Originally Posted by Alberto
^^Exactly, there are tons of 450+whp twins on this site, and less than a handful of guys with 11 sec slips. In the ST world, there are only a handful of people with 450+whp and only 1 with an 11 sec slip Wait till that guy matches the power level of the twins running mid 11's, nobody will say the twins are quicker then. I stick by my original post regarding power level, set up and driver.
Not everyone bombed 3 tranny's either. You run a good size slick and bomb the clutch. Isnt you arm tired from patting yourself on the back? I do give you props for throwing caution into the wind but you did not invent the wheel here.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wtf no turbo
Not everyone bombed 3 tranny's either. You run a good size slick and bomb the clutch. Isnt you arm tired from patting yourself on the back? I do give you props for throwing caution into the wind but you did not invent the wheel here.
Dont be a hater (once again surprise surprise) and dont be stupid. Funny to see you get so upset when I post the fuking truth, what is it with you? You damn well know the tranny issues with our cars (especially with 03' Z's like mine) I guess having my 5th gear synchro (I dont even use for racing) and having a tranny get stuck in reverse were all my fault? You've posted how "easy" it is to run 11's with 400whp in other sections of the boards, I invite you and whatever setup you decide to go with on your 2nd Z to do it. Until then stop coming at me with this BS, and no I dont "bomb" the clutch, if you watch my MIR video you can clearly hear me slipping the clutch launching easy. Go have more of your hatorade, when your finished have some of this....

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