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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Oleg you have done so much ****ing research.. i don't even think you should buy a FI Kit anymore.. you should be tuning the damn things
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Guys, I may be wrong, but some members did have issues with their APS ST kit. One had the oil pump go, and screwed up the turbo. The other member had that flex pipe (that goes underneath the tranny) break up, and the steel shards also destroyed the turbo.
If you are OK with ST, maybe a Turbonetics would be a better bet? Not to mention that with the APS ST a cat is not even an option...
Hey Oleg! I know I had said I was going to get the Vortec but more research gave me a change of heart.
I am sure some folks have had issues, but then again there are those who havn't and I am sure that is the case with every F/I option available. I decided on the APS ST because I felt is was a more complete kit than the others and roughly the same price. As far as the CAT...well.....I deal with that when my inspection is up in 4 years......
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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What is the CAT?...Im a noob.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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What is the CAT?...Im a noob.
catalytic converter
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JasiJ
Hey Oleg! I know I had said I was going to get the Vortec but more research gave me a change of heart.
I am sure some folks have had issues, but then again there are those who havn't and I am sure that is the case with every F/I option available. I decided on the APS ST because I felt is was a more complete kit than the others and roughly the same price. As far as the CAT...well.....I deal with that when my inspection is up in 4 years......

For how long did you twist Julian's arm until he agreed to install an APS ST?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Guys, I may be wrong, but some members did have issues with their APS ST kit. One had the oil pump go, and screwed up the turbo. The other member had that flex pipe (that goes underneath the tranny) break up, and the steel shards also destroyed the turbo.
If you are OK with ST, maybe a Turbonetics would be a better bet? Not to mention that with the APS ST a cat is not even an option...
No offense Oleg....but I have 20,000 miles on my APS ST and it has been flawless.....I have had no problems outside of regular maintenance(sp?).

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
For how long did you twist Julian's arm until he agreed to install an APS ST?
By the time Julian got there Jason and I had spoke for well over 2 hours on which way to go. YES they recomended the twins, but I thought it was over kill. They were happy that I went with a turbo vs. the S/c and so am I. We will see in about 3 weeks! can't wait! everything is happening at once, the ST, BBK lots of goodies going on!
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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No offense Oleg....but I have 20,000 miles on my APS ST and it has been flawless.
How much power are you pushing? and what other Mods do you have?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JasiJ
How much power are you pushing? and what other Mods do you have?
9.5 psi and 430ft/lbs @3000 RPMs.......

running the entire APS system; plenum and exhaust....no other engine upgrades.

have the Stoptech Stage 2 brake kit.

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
9.5 psi and 430ft/lbs @3000 RPMs.......

running the entire APS system; plenum and exhaust....no other engine upgrades.

have the Stoptech Stage 2 brake kit.
NICE! Just getting the ST and Exhaust, already have a plenum. Can't wait!! I need more power!
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
Oleg you have done so much ****ing research.. i don't even think you should buy a FI Kit anymore.. you should be tuning the damn things
Thanks...
It sucks that none of the FI kits matched ever matched what I was expecting from them. I am not broke or cheap, but there is a limited amount of $$ I am willing to spend on a Z in aftermarket mods, plain and simple. Also you cannot ever get it staright from a tuner/installer:
Each tuner claims that the best kit is the one he is getting the most comission from its manufacturer. The common thing, each time you let them have an input, they will effectively convince you that all of the lower cost FI solutions suck and they will explain to you that you need like another 15-20G worth of **** to do it right.
I don't claim to know a lot about cars, but one thing I do know, if you insist too hard to the tuner as to what you want, he will do exactly that, and if **** breaks, you'll get the "I told you so, now pay me to fix your mistakes" attitude. Just like pissing off your server in a restoraunt. And I do not feel that I possess enough car knowledge to be able to singlehandedly put together an FI setup for myself without professional help. There are too many little things to consider and it is impossible to cover the whole scope of things without having massive experience in the field.
I've had enough of this idiocy. Next week I am taking classes with a manual transmission car, hopefully I will not dislike it as much as I did 3 years ago. This will expand greatly my choice of a sportscar.
This fall I am going to test drive the following: Lotus Elise/Exige, Porsche Cayman, BMW M3.
Once I chose one and get it I am staying the **** away from internet forums and aftermarket products.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
No offense Oleg....but I have 20,000 miles on my APS ST and it has been flawless.....I have had no problems outside of regular maintenance(sp?).
For any kit, there are 20 success stories to every failure.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Once I chose one and get it I am staying the **** away from internet forums and aftermarket products.
lol.. yeah right.. the first time that German Sports Car emmits one sign of electrical failure.. and you know they will... you will be on a forum faster than flies on ****
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
lol.. yeah right.. the first time that German Sports Car emmits one sign of electrical failure.. and you know they will... you will be on a forum faster than flies on ****

Nope, I'll be at the dealers with my warranty papers.

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Doug, you still remember what a "warranty" is, right?
It's when the dealership fixes your car for free if something breaks WITHOUT the runaround....

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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Doug, you still remember what a "warranty" is, right?
It's when the dealership fixes your car for free if something breaks WITHOUT the runaround....
yes i know.. i have 60,000 miles left on mine
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Guys, I may be wrong, but some members did have issues with their APS ST kit. One had the oil pump go, and screwed up the turbo. The other member had that flex pipe (that goes underneath the tranny) break up, and the steel shards also destroyed the turbo.
If you are OK with ST, maybe a Turbonetics would be a better bet? Not to mention that with the APS ST a cat is not even an option...
99% of APS single's issues you read about on the boards are due to improper install. The check valve thing was so over exaggerated I hate to even mention it. Call an APS dealer and ask them how many actual requests for new check valves they have had.

I personally installed an APS single on blakes car and would not even consider another setup. He has beat on his car like no other I know of. I truelly expected it to blow the first week. It has not and continues to run.

And a cat on a turbo setup? You mix your oil and water together?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oleg
Guys, I may be wrong, but some members did have issues with their APS ST kit. One had the oil pump go, and screwed up the turbo. The other member had that flex pipe (that goes underneath the tranny) break up, and the steel shards also destroyed the turbo.
If you are OK with ST, maybe a Turbonetics would be a better bet? Not to mention that with the APS ST a cat is not even an option...
I don't have issues, put down 440whp on a dynapack and have a ST. Wanna race?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullitproof
I don't have issues, put down 440whp on a dynapack and have a ST. Wanna race?

Nah, but I'll take you up on this offer if I convert mine to FI (not likely) or trade it in for a nice little Elise (but only in an autox)

To the rest of the APS users getting offended, I did not mean to offend anyone. Forget I even said this.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
yes i know.. i have 60,000 miles left on mine
OK, that's good.
Just don't forget to paint your greddy TT kit to blend with the engine bay when you need to use your warranty.
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