APS Intercooled Single Turbo Kit
It's you wanted more power than what the aps kit provides, maybe you should have went twins!!!!
honestly, why couldn't you just swap out turbo wheels instead? And what about cams? honestly you might not make 700whp on the aps single, but it was never intended to make that much power.
honestly, why couldn't you just swap out turbo wheels instead? And what about cams? honestly you might not make 700whp on the aps single, but it was never intended to make that much power.
700rwhp on the APS ST? 
GRD and I talked about the max whp the ST could do, I think it will max out around 500 something, but only after a better fuel system, cams, and EMS..... you can only do so much with the size of that turbo...and as far as upgrading it, as someone else pointed out, the location is an issue of going with something bigger...
GRD and I talked about the max whp the ST could do, I think it will max out around 500 something, but only after a better fuel system, cams, and EMS..... you can only do so much with the size of that turbo...and as far as upgrading it, as someone else pointed out, the location is an issue of going with something bigger...
Originally Posted by Bullitproof
It's you wanted more power than what the aps kit provides, maybe you should have went twins!!!! honestly, why couldn't you just swap out turbo wheels instead? And what about cams? honestly you might not make 700whp on the aps single, but it was never intended to make that much power.
honestly, why couldn't you just swap out turbo wheels instead? And what about cams? honestly you might not make 700whp on the aps single, but it was never intended to make that much power.
With no blown engines for almost a month (aside from that TN, which was not the kit's fault), I am once again getting comfortable with boosting on stock motor (watch me wuss out as soon as another one blows...
).
If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over.
I can get the TN done less the 20 miles away from my house, but since my car is kept under open sky, a vented hood is not an option and if I heatsheild the whole setup, I'll have to run a turbo timer forever while it takes an eternity to cool down, as there is nowhere for the heat to escape. Since my car will forever be at stock height, low placement of the turbo doesn't make a difference to me, so there!
This way I can be done with FI for unter 10G and have my reliable 350-375whp (I refuse to push more on stock motor/tranny), and that would include a valve body upgrade!
). If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over.
I can get the TN done less the 20 miles away from my house, but since my car is kept under open sky, a vented hood is not an option and if I heatsheild the whole setup, I'll have to run a turbo timer forever while it takes an eternity to cool down, as there is nowhere for the heat to escape. Since my car will forever be at stock height, low placement of the turbo doesn't make a difference to me, so there!
This way I can be done with FI for unter 10G and have my reliable 350-375whp (I refuse to push more on stock motor/tranny), and that would include a valve body upgrade!
Originally Posted by Oleg
a vented hood is not an option and if I heatsheild the whole setup, I'll have to run a turbo timer forever while it takes an eternity to cool down, as there is nowhere for the heat to escape. Since my car will forever be at stock height, low placement of the turbo doesn't make a difference to me, so there!
For one, a turbo timer doesn't run until the turbo "cools down", as you'd be sitting there for hours waiting for it to do so. A couple minutes, at most, is more than adequate to cycle fresh oil through the turbo.
Having a stock hood that isn't vented won't contribute to longevity in any way. I haven't heard of any issues of this setup overheating regardless of conditions. If people run this kit hard in 100+ degree heat and high humidity in areas such as Florida and Souther California/Arizona, you certainly won't be having any issues up north.
Being cautious is one thing, but being obsessive-compulsive about the issue is another...
Originally Posted by taurran
.......Being cautious is one thing, but being obsessive-compulsive about the issue is another...
Originally Posted by Oleg
....With no blown engines for almost a month (aside from that TN, which was not the kit's fault), I am once again getting comfortable with boosting on stock motor (watch me wuss out as soon as another one blows... ).
If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over. ..........
If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over. ..........
Last edited by JoneZZZ; Aug 2, 2006 at 06:25 PM.
Originally Posted by taurran
You've got some glaring misconceptions about turbo heat and cooldown. I'd be willing to say that on any of the setups for this car, a timer isn't even a requirement.
For one, a turbo timer doesn't run until the turbo "cools down", as you'd be sitting there for hours waiting for it to do so. A couple minutes, at most, is more than adequate to cycle fresh oil through the turbo.
Having a stock hood that isn't vented won't contribute to longevity in any way. I haven't heard of any issues of this setup overheating regardless of conditions. If people run this kit hard in 100+ degree heat and high humidity in areas such as Florida and Souther California/Arizona, you certainly won't be having any issues up north.
Being cautious is one thing, but being obsessive-compulsive about the issue is another...
For one, a turbo timer doesn't run until the turbo "cools down", as you'd be sitting there for hours waiting for it to do so. A couple minutes, at most, is more than adequate to cycle fresh oil through the turbo.
Having a stock hood that isn't vented won't contribute to longevity in any way. I haven't heard of any issues of this setup overheating regardless of conditions. If people run this kit hard in 100+ degree heat and high humidity in areas such as Florida and Souther California/Arizona, you certainly won't be having any issues up north.
Being cautious is one thing, but being obsessive-compulsive about the issue is another...
First of all, I am a blood banker. I dare you to go out there and find a single blood banker that does not have one or another form of OCD.
I do have an option to get a TN ST 5AT kit + the apexi exhaust for abot 7K installed...
Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
Oleg....I am going to stand here and HOLD MY BREATH till you decide, to think about, getting comfortable, and GET YOUR NERVE BACK........to strap on that turbo.....and DONT FORGET, you gotta' buy it RIGHT BEFORE THE SALE IS OVER!..
Originally Posted by JoneZZZ
just messin' with you......
I quite realized that. The sale is going all the way till december. I have time to wuss out and dewussify about 10 times over...
Originally Posted by Oleg
With no blown engines for almost a month (aside from that TN, which was not the kit's fault), I am once again getting comfortable with boosting on stock motor (watch me wuss out as soon as another one blows... ).
If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over.
I can get the TN done less the 20 miles away from my house, but since my car is kept under open sky, a vented hood is not an option and if I heatsheild the whole setup, I'll have to run a turbo timer forever while it takes an eternity to cool down, as there is nowhere for the heat to escape. Since my car will forever be at stock height, low placement of the turbo doesn't make a difference to me, so there!
This way I can be done with FI for unter 10G and have my reliable 350-375whp (I refuse to push more on stock motor/tranny), and that would include a valve body upgrade!
). If I don't lose my nerve before winter, I'll buy one right before the sale is over.
I can get the TN done less the 20 miles away from my house, but since my car is kept under open sky, a vented hood is not an option and if I heatsheild the whole setup, I'll have to run a turbo timer forever while it takes an eternity to cool down, as there is nowhere for the heat to escape. Since my car will forever be at stock height, low placement of the turbo doesn't make a difference to me, so there!
This way I can be done with FI for unter 10G and have my reliable 350-375whp (I refuse to push more on stock motor/tranny), and that would include a valve body upgrade!
Originally Posted by Bullitproof
I missed something. you say here you are talking about the TN kit or APS? The APS doesnt need a turbo timer, it's water cooled. Also, not trying to sound like a salesman, but if you wait till Dec till get the APS kit, you might be SOL. At this price point, i'm thinking they'll sell rather quickly.
I was just mentioning the reason why the APS suits my needs better then the TN does.
About the sales, does it matter when I order as long as I place a deposit before the deadline, or am I missing something?
Originally Posted by Oleg
With no blown engines for almost a month...
Originally Posted by Oleg
If I don't lose my nerve before winter,
Forget it, I'm N/A forever...
system aside, isn't placing turbo near center and bottem better for weight balance than behind driver headlight? i don't know how heavy the turbos are(aps and tn st), or is it even heavy enough make any difference?
also, to add to this thread, tn has this 1 year no hassle warranty.....and no, im not in the tn camp..........just getting as much facts a possible before deciding........w/regards to 6mt sedans....the tn st has been bolted onto them with two minor adjustments(moving light ballast to the side a little bit and the 2nd one i forgot).......however, not heard of the aps st on the sedan yet, but seeing the pics on the coupe, i don't see why it shouldn't fit.......
also, to add to this thread, tn has this 1 year no hassle warranty.....and no, im not in the tn camp..........just getting as much facts a possible before deciding........w/regards to 6mt sedans....the tn st has been bolted onto them with two minor adjustments(moving light ballast to the side a little bit and the 2nd one i forgot).......however, not heard of the aps st on the sedan yet, but seeing the pics on the coupe, i don't see why it shouldn't fit.......
Originally Posted by Oleg
Spoke too soon. 2 blown head gaskets in same day...
I just did...
Forget it, I'm N/A forever...
I just did...
Forget it, I'm N/A forever...