Glad to see this got sorted out as well, as i'm in the same boat as you (well, not boat, more like pool of sand ).

[just FYI, if you're in phoenix, there are a couple Really good shops out there, Dyno-Comp and Intense Motorsports... just mentioning that b/c they are right there...]

 

I didnt see this adressed by VRT---> But did you guys install the TN kit with no flash and try to run a JWT TT Split Second tune on this kit? And were you then smart enough to go to Jim Wolf so he could tell you you had to custom tune it? He's obviously running very rich right now, are you also saying that if he just ups the boost to 8psi his A/F's will not need adjustment/tuning and be ok?

VRT-why are you trying to come up with a solution ot tune a TN kit or any other kit besides JWT for that matter? There are tons of tuning solutions do you guys know how to tune Emanage/UTEC/Unichip or anything else besides SS right now?

 

I've been keeping an open mind with this post and just reading along. The one thing that I don't understand is the above - did you tune the car for 8psi while running it at 4psi on the dyno? How does one do that?

My advice would be this, get a boost control, DO NOT turn up the boost - first take it to a good tuner in your area, and have him turn up the boost and tune it for 8psi.

The above recommendations from VRT is a recipe for a blown motor... How can people brag about a shop that appears to not have a clue on how to saftely tune a car? (THANK GOD the Jim Wolf has you tuning to date!)

- Best VRT quote EVER!

 

They could have tuned it with a manual boost controller installed.

 

I havent read anywhere in this thread that any type of boost controller was installed...

 

Well when my car was tuned it was dynoed at several different boost levels, but when I got it back there was no controller installed.

I suspect that Jim installs one every time he tunes. It's only a valve that you have to plumb to the waste gate. Probably only takes 5 minutes to install and remove. It would make more sense to do that than change springs over and over.

 

All Good.

Mike,
Call me and we can get you what you need or Schedule some time to make it all right.

As for any of the other comments, Mike and I are working on the issues so no need to keep beating this BS around and round.

Thanks for all of your input!

M

 

Id like to hear answers to my questions above and some others. While its great your working things out, it doesnt lookgood IMO that you not answer something that has been brought out against you in public.

 

You are correct.

As mentioned, Mike (Tempted) and I are on the same page say let's JUST TURN THE PAGE!

M

 

Well, I am not as well versed as some of the people here on the forums....but I do know one thing, if people aren't trying new things to further what can be done and how efficeiently it can be done then we would not be here on this forum speaking about any of this.
To advance what is and how it works things need to be tried. As I said I do not know the things that some of you know, but I think that trying something new is good and maybe it is the right way to go.
Maybe it is not, but I know one thing VRT does know how to do their cars and it has been proven time and again. As far as Philty saying that about best VRT quote ever? Well, he is right the cars he builds are meant to be driven and that means things are going to break. I think any shop in the US will agree. These cars are pushing what can be done and that means things are going to break.

 

BTW, we work on many FI systems, custom, TN, Superchargers (Cog and Roots), Greddy, and more. NOT JUST JWT.

Alberto, there are more ways than ONE to skin a cat and if we find one that works, we will use it to make the safest power possible and still provide the customer with satisfaction.

We have cars that make conservative power, and we have cars that make huge power...And believe we have tuning systems to address both and for more than just the JWT kit!

NOTE:
We try to create solutions to better all, not just this one or that one. You do not have to agree with our methods nor do I need to publicly explain all of our methods, what matters in the long-run is when we have our customers driving their cars to safe levels and they are happy and content.

We have a pretty strong track record to date...You are entitled to your opinions so once again, Mike and I are on the same page so I don't see this is necessary to go back and forth on this topic any-longer.

We will make Mike's car right, then I will let him tell his completed story.

Thanks for your concern.

M

 

Mike - not trying to flame you, but many times your click takes it that way.

There are shops that push things, experiment and have cars breaking all the time (most of the time they do it on a shop car and not customers cars ) - VRT champions this mentality and as you stated its normal for VRT cars to break - people should be aware of this reality.

There are several other tuners that understand this and provide customers with a package that will not break. Daily driver means a more conservative tune and the addition or subtraction of parts based on durability priority.

From what I've read on this thread, the performance goals from the customer were clearly defined and his intentions for a daily driver were expressed - I don't believe VRT delivered on these two factors in this case, but it's great that you're working things out with the customer... Shows that you're willing to stand behind your work - very good quality.

Oh, Navygolf13 - Mike is a big boy and can handle a simple forum thread - whip off the brown crap on your nose and relax a bit...

 

Philthy,

Thanks for your POSITIVE OUTLOOK today...It is always a pleasure.

FLAME ME - Nah, you wouldn't do that would you?

Don't take anything out of context. The statement,

"These are race-cars and there will always be problems"

ABOVE:
Was on a different post regarding a customer who is spreading rumors that VRT broke his AT tranny on the dyno...Not for Tempted's TN non-built car, yet for built motor, JWT kit we did 4 months ago, and the customer failed to pay for a built tranny as recommended by us.

Simple:
Customer ran out of funds, we didn't upgrade the tranny and should have, he signed a release acknowledging VRTs release from liability about the tranny, and there you have it. No big deal and a totally separate issue. His tranny was blown in 2nd gear when we received it and we found this out the day the car was tested...Oh well. Not our fault and the customer knows it.

AGAIN - PLEASE DO NOT TWIST THIS STATEMENT and take it out of context as YOU ARE TRYING to... And to be absolutely clear, we do build race cars for OFF-ROAD purposes. We track our cars. Tracked cars that are driven hard can and will have problems. Normal wear and tear are Problems.

Problems...Oil leaks are Problems. Problems: Coolant leaks are problems. Bald tires are Problems. Scratches from track debris...Problems.

Problems...All of our cars IF DRIVEN WILL HAVE Problems... Especially when they are Raced. Road Raced, Drag Raced, Drift Raced, and Even AutoX. Race cars have problems, all cars from time to time will have some sort of problems.

We build Race-Cars Philthy first and foremost, the customers choose to drive them daily. Yet, any customer that is going to FI their car must recognize the chance for breaks and problems even more so than keeping your car stock. If you pay a shop to do your FI, I guarantee their Invoice will state that they are not responsible for breaks. If you dyno a car, they have you sign a release from liability. You are a smart guy, or seem to be, so I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS!

Yet, this statement had nothing to do with Mike (Tempted).

Reread your facts. Reread the posts.

Again
Don't take anything out of context. The statement,

"These are race-cars and there will always be problems", was what it was and still is what it is! If you don't understand the context of this post, please reread and think about it Again.

Have a nice day! Keep it positive - PLEASE.

M

 

mraturbo. I don't see why you have to explain yourself. I for one don't dought (i think that's how you spell it) your ability to do your job, and i'm sure nobody here does either (maybe the odd one or two). When i said skeletons in there closet, i didn't mean it like that, i was just shocked to hear bad stuff from you. Any way, i would still take my car to you guys any day.

 

Thanks.

We try our best to keep folks happy. There are always two sides of every story. Appreciate the Vote of confidence!

M

 

Oh my god - you're such a drama queen - I'll send some tissues to your house, I mean shop...

So, you build race cars? The only thing I see is you at track days... My offer still stands for either PINKS or Time Attack - your pick.

 

You know you have to be one of the rudest people on here and personally I think you should just walk away.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine -

Looking forward to seeing you guys at the track and making a little video of my own....

 

This thread was an interesting read... props to VRT.

Sorry to ask this slightly off topic, but the issues about the tranny caught my attention. I'm researching what else I can do besides a valve body upgrade to build up an AT to handle something on the order of 500 ft-lbs of torque... What were you going to do to fix that guys blown tranny?

 

A beefier torque converter can help but it can also create more heat so a tranny oil cooler should be done with TC upgrades. Not all transmissions are equal so almost luck of the draw. I think someone posted their tranny went out very shortly after FI, but a used tranny out of a wreck has lasted ever since.