500hp+ Stock Sleeve Guys...
Originally Posted by trefling
I"m getting ready to push 680rwhp and I'm unsleeved with the new L19 head studs. If my engine/block blows I'll let you guys know 
Originally Posted by trefling
I"m getting ready to push 680rwhp and I'm unsleeved with the new L19 head studs. If my engine/block blows I'll let you guys know 
Did you do the head strengthening mod as well?
Originally Posted by trefling
I"m getting ready to push 680rwhp and I'm unsleeved with the new L19 head studs. If my engine/block blows I'll let you guys know 
-George
GT Motorsports
With race gas.....or at least 100 octane I hope. You'll be fine.
In my opinion there are 2 great tuners as far as performance and customer service and that's SGP Racing & Forged Performance. I've worked with Shariff and Mark, both are very knowledgable gentleman. SGP is closer to me in Kansas City than Forged and Mark has has been doing this for a long time.
It's true nobody knows the limit of the stock block but as Sharif mentioned I too wouldn't be suprised to see 650-700rwhp possible on the stock block.
I've just got the full upgraded oversized valvetrain and V-Pro, SGP dump pipes, solid engine motor mounts, L19 head bolts, HKS head gasket (got rid of the UTEC) and my biggest/limiting factor is my singe 3" exhaust and stock greddy downpipes. But Mark assured me that he could get 680 out of my current setup w/ race gas of course.
Just like Sharif said, 700rwhp is just around the corner
thats still more east coast..there are other good tuner in the west side too. I trust intense a lot...
But if i were to live close to spg or forged, yah no brainer, no other place to go for your Z "needs"
But if i were to live close to spg or forged, yah no brainer, no other place to go for your Z "needs"
Originally Posted by trefling
In my opinion there are 2 great tuners as far as performance and customer service and that's SGP Racing & Forged Performance. I've worked with Shariff and Mark, both are very knowledgable gentleman. SGP is closer to me in Kansas City than Forged and Mark has has been doing this for a long time.
It's true nobody knows the limit of the stock block but as Sharif mentioned I too wouldn't be suprised to see 650-700rwhp possible on the stock block.
I've just got the full upgraded oversized valvetrain and V-Pro, SGP dump pipes, solid engine motor mounts, L19 head bolts, HKS head gasket (got rid of the UTEC) and my biggest/limiting factor is my singe 3" exhaust and stock greddy downpipes. But Mark assured me that he could get 680 out of my current setup w/ race gas of course.
Just like Sharif said, 700rwhp is just around the corner
It's true nobody knows the limit of the stock block but as Sharif mentioned I too wouldn't be suprised to see 650-700rwhp possible on the stock block.
I've just got the full upgraded oversized valvetrain and V-Pro, SGP dump pipes, solid engine motor mounts, L19 head bolts, HKS head gasket (got rid of the UTEC) and my biggest/limiting factor is my singe 3" exhaust and stock greddy downpipes. But Mark assured me that he could get 680 out of my current setup w/ race gas of course.
Just like Sharif said, 700rwhp is just around the corner
Last edited by Enron Exec; Oct 13, 2006 at 06:31 AM.
Originally Posted by DSport G35
It's been a while since a stock sleeve thread has been up. I wanted to get some updates from the high horsepower, stock sleeve guys. I'm getting ready to tune my car on race gas within the next 2 weeks and I'm getting kind of worried and depressed everytime I see a member include in their setup list "Darton MID Sleeves". But on the other hand I see the guys from VRT making over 800hp on stock sleeves without any issues.
So the questions I have are...What headstud setup are you using? What is your current power level and future goals? And what have you seen/heard over the past year regarding the strength of our stock VQ sleeves.
Thanks.
So the questions I have are...What headstud setup are you using? What is your current power level and future goals? And what have you seen/heard over the past year regarding the strength of our stock VQ sleeves.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by trefling
I"m getting ready to push 680rwhp and I'm unsleeved with the new L19 head studs. If my engine/block blows I'll let you guys know 
Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
A lot of poeple don't realize what goes into transforming a shortblock into a longblock...
the gasket overhaul kit from Nissan must be purchased: $300
labor involved with torqing on heads, timing motor, prepping front/rear timing cover, upper/lower oil pan...
on our longblock packages, even if the heads are not upgraded, they are rebuilt, meaning they are disassembled, thoroughly cleaned/vatted, then rebuilt with new valve stem seals, 3 angle valvejob, and redecked
A longblock wil be more expensive because of all of the abovementioned labor and parts..but these are al steps that will need to be performed regardless, and we price out longblocks fully timed and assembled..
hope that helps
-TODD
the gasket overhaul kit from Nissan must be purchased: $300
labor involved with torqing on heads, timing motor, prepping front/rear timing cover, upper/lower oil pan...
on our longblock packages, even if the heads are not upgraded, they are rebuilt, meaning they are disassembled, thoroughly cleaned/vatted, then rebuilt with new valve stem seals, 3 angle valvejob, and redecked
A longblock wil be more expensive because of all of the abovementioned labor and parts..but these are al steps that will need to be performed regardless, and we price out longblocks fully timed and assembled..
hope that helps
-TODD
I have over 9k miles on my built motor stock sleeves running the Ultimate @ 538whp w/no trouble. Mark (SGP) put in the V-Pro and he is tuning it this weekend for 550-560whp. Most folks I talk to think the stock sleeves with hold over 700whp w/mass amounts of torque. Of course, we'll see...
Originally Posted by Jokestrap
Most folks I talk to think the stock sleeves with hold over 700whp w/mass amounts of torque. Of course, we'll see...
I am willing to bet that a stock bottom end, with ARP 1/2" head studs will be the setup that can handle these high numbers, possibly not requiring sleeves...
Last edited by 350zDCalb; Oct 15, 2006 at 03:31 PM.
Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
maybe the stock bottom end CAN handle 700rwhp...that would be great! no one can definitively say for sure..yet
I am willing to bet that a stock bottom end, with ARP 1/2" head studs will be the setup that can handle these high numbers, possibly not requiring sleeves...
I am willing to bet that a stock bottom end, with ARP 1/2" head studs will be the setup that can handle these high numbers, possibly not requiring sleeves...
Originally Posted by Jokestrap
You're not implying that the stock rods can hold massive torque numbers?? You must be implying stock block meaning no sleeves...
Originally Posted by Alberto
Dont get upset/wonder over VRT's claims, they claim they do 600+whp on standard JWT kits not even capable of that much power. Do you have 1/2" head studs? If so TQ'd to what? What head gasket? BTW-and I sincerely mean no offense by this-I doubt your S/C set-up will surpass the limits of the stock sleeves man...if you have good supporting mods to your internals you will be fine. Keep us updated on your numbers.
I know of NO CLAIMS of 600+ WHP on the standard BB530 kit. If yes they aren't coming from VRT.
Funny how this stuff keeps getting discussed without any claims from VRT. However, 600+ WHP on the modded BB700 kit has definitely been duplicated 5 times and we are working on 3 more projects as I write this.
So Alberto YOU ARE CORRECT, the standard JWT can't flow enough air to do 600+ WHP. However, the Modded BB700 kit can without a doubt.
And non of these projects have been sleeved. There are probably circumstances needing sleeving IF YOU WANT AND NEED THE PIECE OF MIND, yet the limitations of big power isn't wether the VQ can handle it after Forged Internals and excellent tuning, but how to supply the fuel.
We are working on voltage modifications as well MAF and an even more efficient Boost Pressure Regulator to help supply more fuel, but there is a limit on the in-tank system. I know we have reached the limit on my G35 and could have never reached high numbers without MORE VOLTAGE to the fuel pump...
Thanks...And You are right about the standard BB530 JWT kit...Flow a max of 500+WHP. If you are looking for bigger numbers than 500+ and want JWT, you need the BB700 upgrade. And OH Yes, all using the Split Second...
Peace....
M
Last edited by mraturbo; Oct 15, 2006 at 06:46 PM.
Originally Posted by Nismo350ZRT
VRT, are you using the stock fuel rails when making 500+whp? And are you using L19 head studs? TIA.
M
Originally Posted by mraturbo
Stock Stuff - stock studs, and NO RETURN FUEL system for the larger BB700 JWT systems...Although we have used these for a few recent Big Greddy projects as the clients supplied the equipment.
M

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Originally Posted by Nismo350ZRT
Impressive. Regarding headlift, do you re-torque the heads after a heat cycle?
We have many clients that track the cars HARD so that is one of the tune-up procedures, as well as bleeding the coolant systems, etc.
We try to keep them healthy Lap after Lap and heat always sucks. The weather is cooling here in Cali so that is always good.
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