That's nice. Quit sh** talking and go buy a TT kit already. No one cares if you don't buy a ST kit.

I don't realyl care to argue the APS vs Turbonetics thing. I'm surprised people like zivman still do.

 

You may be right or not. I tend to believe that it does simply because I know 3 people personally where it has fixed the issue. They didn't do anything fancy either once it was installed

From my own experience I had about a 0.5-1 psi drop at most with my fabricated greddy exhaust and that was the first one GRD did before the boost drop issue was even known.

 

you go on promoting your customer service and I will go on promoting the better kit.

 

out of the box to me means out of the box... not buying other stuff like actuators and exhaust to make my kit perform properly out of the box..

keyword: out of the box

 

You don't need actuators nor the exhaust unless you are going for higher power. It will run safe...in fact probably even more safe since your running less power. Either way you look at it the exhaust is still a bolt on and it will probably lean the car out a bit but still well within the safety zone...

 

To be fair, the APS setup needs to be paired with the APS ST exhaust which isn't included in the kit and must be purchased separately. It doesn't however need a tunable EMS, fuel return system, boost control, and many other things to run safe.

As far as I am concerned the only positives about the TN kit are the customer service and the price point. That said, when you see what is included for that price point, it is clear it is no bargain when the APS setup offers SOOO much more for a marginal increase in price

 

I would never be happy with just what is sold in any F/I kit. They should all be renamed starter kits to avoid confusion.

 

If that's the case, one man's "starter kit" is another man's complete setup

 

LOL, that the thing tho without a person doing the proper research they end up with something that will work but may not be the safest or most reliable route. The APS kits do provide you with more for more, theres no way around that but those parts may not be the best for your needs. I mean if you are gonna get a EMS why not spend a little more and get something like a UTEC that has been proven to be a awesome tool for tuners. Return fuel kit, Injectors, UTEC and a Fuel Pump will run you about 2500 on top of your tuner kit and you get what you want. A UTEC can be tuned by more people vs a locked out UNI-Chip. Not saying thats a good thing

 

I think they both suck!!!!! LOL to be serious nothing will be right with me and aps. That check valve problem to me was unexcusable. You spend 5500 bucks plus exhaust to be r&d? I would have never made the trip to GRD and probly would still have my stock block running 10psi on AAMs tune. With there awful CS and the high and mighty attitude the conduct the CS with made me drive 800 miles to find a POS checkvalve as the problem.

Then after all that try to get replacement parts is a joke!!After accident good luck replacing IC and charge pipe. I have a better chance seeing God. Glad to be rid of APS and I even grinding APS off my plenum. Classic comment with Peter after all the BS I went trhough "well thats just bad luck mate"

 

For every one person that has a bad experience with a product there are at least ten ppl with a good experience. Thats just bad luck mate.

 

You are all ****ing pathetic, go drive your cars.

To the OP: Go ride in an ST, TT, and SC, then make your choice, they all have their pros and cons.

In my opinion:

If you want maximum performance and plan on building the motor later on. go with a TT kit.

If you the most reliable and controllable setup, and are ok with a maximum possible output of around 450whp, go with an SC.

If you want a good intermediate between maximum power and reliability, go with the ST.

 

you my friend in all your rage have digressed from the original question..

the original question is.. what setup is good for an install in your home garage and run out of the box without tuning...

 

wow ! do not get into the APS vs TN confrontation ! please !

boths great kits with great potentials !

and for your information, actually, you can found here... the TN ST stage 1 and the cokmplete APS ST kit FOR THE SAME PRICE !!!! 5000$ !!!!! This is a fact !

and when you add UTEC to the TN and APS ST exhaust to the APS, YOU STILL AT THE SAME PRICE !!!! still a fact !

BUT !

even after a UTEC or the APS ST exhaust, when you take a look on both part list and some dyno plots... it seem to me that you have a more complete kit with the APS than TN... BUT this is only my opinion... and this is why I will go this way... for the moment... until my search for new facts and feedbacks is over...

 

Just buy the APS then, and close this thread. You're not going to get any more "facts" about either kit at this point. Everything else is just opinion.

 

OP, correct me if I am wrong, but the purpose of this thread for you was to figure out which FI kit can be done in garage, on jackstands, by yourself, yes?

In that case you should be looking not at the so-called "out-of-box completeness", but for the ease and simplicity of installation of the supporting mods. For example, if you can install an ST kit, an exhaust should be a piece of cake for you, etc...

 

This thread is dumb and needs to be closed. Thanks...

 

Hey ! there is very good posts in this thread with good info... if you don't like it, simply don't read ! and go on others threads...no ?

 

Don't mind him. He's just pissed that you're leaning towards APS and not the TN...

 

I highly doubt that 90% of the time that would ever be considered true. A lot of people take Z modding very seriously and feel that no one should be permitted to do something as extensive as F/I without the proper knowledge. Maybe we should generate a Forced Induction Test and you need to score a 80 or above to Boost