Turbonetics piping pictures and routing
Originally Posted by priscilla ls1
Hey is this not the same guy that did the whole Holset vs garrett thing? Does he ever learn?
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Search a little more there champ. All Turbonetics had to do was move the gates location and the system stopped overboosting. Increasing wastegate size has nothing to do with it. You must be another Internet certified Mech Engineer.
Go away super troll. And FYI your post is a complete waste of bandwith. There's much more detailed pics of the kit on a mock up motor then what you posted. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
Go away super troll. And FYI your post is a complete waste of bandwith. There's much more detailed pics of the kit on a mock up motor then what you posted. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I'll put money it won't. Apparentely you can find a thread but clearly you aren't able to read it. If you actually read the thread you linked (left to right, top to bottom put words together its called a sentence) you'd see that not only did Jet go to a bigger gate he ALSO moved its location. Again go away troll.
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god no one can talk any common turbo sense into you guys can they. Why do you even come into my thread miaplayer? Dont you have better things to do like sit at your desk and post how good the turbonetics kit is? pardon me but a 36mm wastegate would even overboost on a fairly smaller turbo especially since you have 3.5L of displacement. seriously 36MM WOW thats small. I wouldnt even waste my time with a gate that was smaller than 44mm on a 2.5L. Not to mention a 3.5L.
Taking the wastegate off completely does not solve anything cause guess what. You still have a tiny hole that no exhaust will get through. I have seen XSPower wastegates that would let more exhaust out than TN 36mm gate. Lets face it miaplaya for a turbo guru you have a lot to learn my friend.
Why would the mods come into this thread? To stop someone from posting useful info on things of FI regards. Get over your hatred of me and focus on something other than that paycheck that you think gives you some kind of power just because you work there. What do you do anyways? Sure do have a lot of time on your hands to be posting an awful lot. Do they pay you to push it? Either way your still not their technician.
I am not a certified mechanic nor do i need to be to know that a small gate on a larger turbo with a somewhat large displacement engine will overboost, And a 36MM gate does classify as a small gate for the setup.
You know something that is really funny. My dad is the first world champion drag racer of NHRA and I know he got there by having his own ideas and making his own parts. Not by listening to people like miaplayer with thier closed minded ideas that work but not good enough.
Taking the wastegate off completely does not solve anything cause guess what. You still have a tiny hole that no exhaust will get through. I have seen XSPower wastegates that would let more exhaust out than TN 36mm gate. Lets face it miaplaya for a turbo guru you have a lot to learn my friend.
Why would the mods come into this thread? To stop someone from posting useful info on things of FI regards. Get over your hatred of me and focus on something other than that paycheck that you think gives you some kind of power just because you work there. What do you do anyways? Sure do have a lot of time on your hands to be posting an awful lot. Do they pay you to push it? Either way your still not their technician.
I am not a certified mechanic nor do i need to be to know that a small gate on a larger turbo with a somewhat large displacement engine will overboost, And a 36MM gate does classify as a small gate for the setup.
You know something that is really funny. My dad is the first world champion drag racer of NHRA and I know he got there by having his own ideas and making his own parts. Not by listening to people like miaplayer with thier closed minded ideas that work but not good enough.
its actually 35mm and I dont think turbonetics would have put a production unit out for sale if it couldnt handle what it claimed... i dont think you are the first person to turbo a 350Z so I am not sure but I think there may be some evidence to support what Mia has stated since overboost is no longer a problem.
Originally Posted by dukeduster
Or they have put it out knowing that it would overboost thus selling a "fix" for it and making more money?
Originally Posted by dukeduster
It would just be a lot better of a kit if some modifacations were done to increase the wastegate size rather than having one on the edge of overboosting.
I had an ihi turbo once on a turbo thunderbird. It exploded itself haha. My little t3 in my merkur lived at 20psi longer than the engine did, melted a hole in the number 2 piston after 7 months of beating the hell out of it. 400hp from a 500$ junkyard car wasnt to bad.
After looking at pictures of all the diffrent turbo kits. I think the manifolds from speed force racing are the best design out there for a twin setup. The turbonetics setup is packed together way to much. To fit a large single in my car would require chopping some stuff out of the metal in the engine bay, And even that still presents problems of using a 3inch down pipe. If i built some log manifolds and rerouted the waterline on the driver side with custom made A/C lines it would be doable, possibly. To bad no one makes a tubular K member for the Z like in the mustang world then i could just run all my pipes under the car with no problem at all, and use a smaller thicker radiator. If i can buy the manifolds from speed force racing i will do that, or i will modify some cheap ebay headers to work and do a twin setup as it will be easier.
Im starting to wonder if nissan made the engine bay so compact on purpose to prevent people from turbocharging the car.
With two t3/t4 60 trim turbos i should have no problem making lots of power.
The cost for two new ones is right at 1000$...
We arent talking about buying on the market kits for my car, we are trying to generate ideas for a custom one using high quality parts with lower cost. Wich is very doable. With twin t3s i can use my current exhaust as it will flow enough, the only thing i have to change is the mid pipe for a 3" ID pipe. We are trying to make it simple and effective. Part of doing something like this yourself is you know what parts went in the car and where they are how they work. It makes it a hell of alot easier to work on it, so if something does fail or is starting to fail you can remove and repair it effectivly versus taking it to a tuner shop and paying an arm and a leg.
Its a shame this forum is not open to new ideas. When i do have everything sorted and all the parts ready to go i will take lots of pictures and post a DIY custom turbo how too.
After looking at pictures of all the diffrent turbo kits. I think the manifolds from speed force racing are the best design out there for a twin setup. The turbonetics setup is packed together way to much. To fit a large single in my car would require chopping some stuff out of the metal in the engine bay, And even that still presents problems of using a 3inch down pipe. If i built some log manifolds and rerouted the waterline on the driver side with custom made A/C lines it would be doable, possibly. To bad no one makes a tubular K member for the Z like in the mustang world then i could just run all my pipes under the car with no problem at all, and use a smaller thicker radiator. If i can buy the manifolds from speed force racing i will do that, or i will modify some cheap ebay headers to work and do a twin setup as it will be easier.
Im starting to wonder if nissan made the engine bay so compact on purpose to prevent people from turbocharging the car.
With two t3/t4 60 trim turbos i should have no problem making lots of power.
The cost for two new ones is right at 1000$...
We arent talking about buying on the market kits for my car, we are trying to generate ideas for a custom one using high quality parts with lower cost. Wich is very doable. With twin t3s i can use my current exhaust as it will flow enough, the only thing i have to change is the mid pipe for a 3" ID pipe. We are trying to make it simple and effective. Part of doing something like this yourself is you know what parts went in the car and where they are how they work. It makes it a hell of alot easier to work on it, so if something does fail or is starting to fail you can remove and repair it effectivly versus taking it to a tuner shop and paying an arm and a leg.
Its a shame this forum is not open to new ideas. When i do have everything sorted and all the parts ready to go i will take lots of pictures and post a DIY custom turbo how too.
Last edited by rocks; Jan 27, 2007 at 11:27 PM.
have fun with a custom turbo kit! More power to ya. I have the utmost respect for fabricators and inventors, but if you are going to use ideas in your build dont talk **** about the on the market kits. Yes some maybe flawed in your eyes but there are reasons for everything. instead of starting a flame war the TN kit sucks blah blah blah... why not say im building my own kit heres what i am doing different. The other thing why not mention what you are doing during the build its much more believable. I dont tell everyone I am doing anything until its underway, because then it just sounds like you are full of ****.
-Don
-Don
From what I understand He doesn't own a Z nor is he turbo charging one. He own a WRX and I don't see anything that tells me he's here to get help with his ride, merely to help us with ours?? Or to post picture of the old stlye TN kit before the fix....so here, a pic of my updated TN
Originally Posted by rocks
I had an ihi turbo once on a turbo thunderbird. It exploded itself haha. My little t3 in my merkur lived at 20psi longer than the engine did, melted a hole in the number 2 piston after 7 months of beating the hell out of it. 400hp from a 500$ junkyard car wasnt to bad.
After looking at pictures of all the diffrent turbo kits. I think the manifolds from speed force racing are the best design out there for a twin setup. The turbonetics setup is packed together way to much. To fit a large single in my car would require chopping some stuff out of the metal in the engine bay, And even that still presents problems of using a 3inch down pipe. If i built some log manifolds and rerouted the waterline on the driver side with custom made A/C lines it would be doable, possibly. To bad no one makes a tubular K member for the Z like in the mustang world then i could just run all my pipes under the car with no problem at all, and use a smaller thicker radiator. If i can buy the manifolds from speed force racing i will do that, or i will modify some cheap ebay headers to work and do a twin setup as it will be easier.
Im starting to wonder if nissan made the engine bay so compact on purpose to prevent people from turbocharging the car.
With two t3/t4 60 trim turbos i should have no problem making lots of power.
The cost for two new ones is right at 1000$...
We arent talking about buying on the market kits for my car, we are trying to generate ideas for a custom one using high quality parts with lower cost. Wich is very doable. With twin t3s i can use my current exhaust as it will flow enough, the only thing i have to change is the mid pipe for a 3" ID pipe. We are trying to make it simple and effective. Part of doing something like this yourself is you know what parts went in the car and where they are how they work. It makes it a hell of alot easier to work on it, so if something does fail or is starting to fail you can remove and repair it effectivly versus taking it to a tuner shop and paying an arm and a leg.
Its a shame this forum is not open to new ideas. When i do have everything sorted and all the parts ready to go i will take lots of pictures and post a DIY custom turbo how too.
After looking at pictures of all the diffrent turbo kits. I think the manifolds from speed force racing are the best design out there for a twin setup. The turbonetics setup is packed together way to much. To fit a large single in my car would require chopping some stuff out of the metal in the engine bay, And even that still presents problems of using a 3inch down pipe. If i built some log manifolds and rerouted the waterline on the driver side with custom made A/C lines it would be doable, possibly. To bad no one makes a tubular K member for the Z like in the mustang world then i could just run all my pipes under the car with no problem at all, and use a smaller thicker radiator. If i can buy the manifolds from speed force racing i will do that, or i will modify some cheap ebay headers to work and do a twin setup as it will be easier.
Im starting to wonder if nissan made the engine bay so compact on purpose to prevent people from turbocharging the car.
With two t3/t4 60 trim turbos i should have no problem making lots of power.
The cost for two new ones is right at 1000$...
We arent talking about buying on the market kits for my car, we are trying to generate ideas for a custom one using high quality parts with lower cost. Wich is very doable. With twin t3s i can use my current exhaust as it will flow enough, the only thing i have to change is the mid pipe for a 3" ID pipe. We are trying to make it simple and effective. Part of doing something like this yourself is you know what parts went in the car and where they are how they work. It makes it a hell of alot easier to work on it, so if something does fail or is starting to fail you can remove and repair it effectivly versus taking it to a tuner shop and paying an arm and a leg.
Its a shame this forum is not open to new ideas. When i do have everything sorted and all the parts ready to go i will take lots of pictures and post a DIY custom turbo how too.
Well put.
Originally Posted by dukeduster
god no one can talk any common turbo sense into you guys can they. Why do you even come into my thread miaplayer? Dont you have better things to do like sit at your desk and post how good the turbonetics kit is? pardon me but a 36mm wastegate would even overboost on a fairly smaller turbo especially since you have 3.5L of displacement. seriously 36MM WOW thats small. I wouldnt even waste my time with a gate that was smaller than 44mm on a 2.5L. Not to mention a 3.5L.
Taking the wastegate off completely does not solve anything cause guess what. You still have a tiny hole that no exhaust will get through. I have seen XSPower wastegates that would let more exhaust out than TN 36mm gate. Lets face it miaplaya for a turbo guru you have a lot to learn my friend.
Why would the mods come into this thread? To stop someone from posting useful info on things of FI regards. Get over your hatred of me and focus on something other than that paycheck that you think gives you some kind of power just because you work there. What do you do anyways? Sure do have a lot of time on your hands to be posting an awful lot. Do they pay you to push it? Either way your still not their technician.
I am not a certified mechanic nor do i need to be to know that a small gate on a larger turbo with a somewhat large displacement engine will overboost, And a 36MM gate does classify as a small gate for the setup.
You know something that is really funny. My dad is the first world champion drag racer of NHRA and I know he got there by having his own ideas and making his own parts. Not by listening to people like miaplayer with thier closed minded ideas that work but not good enough.
Taking the wastegate off completely does not solve anything cause guess what. You still have a tiny hole that no exhaust will get through. I have seen XSPower wastegates that would let more exhaust out than TN 36mm gate. Lets face it miaplaya for a turbo guru you have a lot to learn my friend.
Why would the mods come into this thread? To stop someone from posting useful info on things of FI regards. Get over your hatred of me and focus on something other than that paycheck that you think gives you some kind of power just because you work there. What do you do anyways? Sure do have a lot of time on your hands to be posting an awful lot. Do they pay you to push it? Either way your still not their technician.
I am not a certified mechanic nor do i need to be to know that a small gate on a larger turbo with a somewhat large displacement engine will overboost, And a 36MM gate does classify as a small gate for the setup.
You know something that is really funny. My dad is the first world champion drag racer of NHRA and I know he got there by having his own ideas and making his own parts. Not by listening to people like miaplayer with thier closed minded ideas that work but not good enough.
That shows everyone exactly how much you really know about turbo systems. That "tiny" 35mm gate is controlling boost just fine on several kits with the updated piping and on my car without the updated piping. How big do you think the internal gate is on the APS ST kit? 44mm? I'm not close minded I've told you several times to go build your own kit. I could care less what you have. But if you are going to post some mis-information you need to be corrected. And btw copying someone else is not exactly being "open minded". Your "useful" information has been posted more times and in more places then I can remember. Try that little button called search at the top. And this time go past the first page and use that thing called reading I mentioned above. You'll get a lot farther. And BTW since you dont think a 35mm gate can control boost at all explain to me why it works so well in several 400+ WHP T3/T4 powered race cars. If you truely believe the stuff you post (44mm gate needed for a 2.5L motor ROFLMFAO
) then you shouldn't be trying to design a trash can let alone a turbo system. And FYI you are not your dad so his credentials mean exactly jack **** in relation to your posts.