Motul 300V breakdown temp?
03-14-2007, 02:26 PM
#2
Flash point is about 424F...I can't seem to locate the spec sheet at the moment.
Flash point is far beyond a desirable oil temp. Anything in the 250F to 270F is considered acceptable by most oil experts.
I will look more into this, becuase I am wondering the same thing myself. 300v is one of the highest quality racing oils on the market, so you can't really get much better than that!
Flash point is far beyond a desirable oil temp. Anything in the 250F to 270F is considered acceptable by most oil experts.
I will look more into this, becuase I am wondering the same thing myself. 300v is one of the highest quality racing oils on the market, so you can't really get much better than that!
Last edited by Sharif@Forged; 03-14-2007 at 02:31 PM.
03-14-2007, 02:35 PM
#3
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Flash point is about 424F...I can't seem to locate the spec sheet at the moment.
Flash point is far beyond a desirable oil temp. Anything in the 250F to 270F is considered acceptable by most oil experts.
I will look more into this, becuase I am wondering the same thing myself. 300v is one of the highest quality racing oils on the market, so you can't really get much better than that!
Flash point is far beyond a desirable oil temp. Anything in the 250F to 270F is considered acceptable by most oil experts.
I will look more into this, becuase I am wondering the same thing myself. 300v is one of the highest quality racing oils on the market, so you can't really get much better than that!
03-14-2007, 02:46 PM
#4
Originally Posted by Nitrouz
thanx for the info Sharif. Are the weights ok you think?
For all out sprint racing or drag racing, and higher RPM operation, most engineers would suggest a lower viscosity. For instance, in 24hr LeMans racing, its common to use a 15w50 or even a 20w60.
On a street engine, I think it would be prudent to choose an oil, desired for "endurance" specs, rather than flat our high RPM sprint or drag racing. We want our engines to last, and the oil to protect under extreme conditions.
I found the spec sheets and technical presenation for 300V. Its 14.5mb..if you want it..hit me up on AOL IM. On one interesting slide, they subjected an engine to 40 HOURS of 150 C degree oil temps, which is far above what anyone would see, and the engine showed no signs of deterioration, sheer loss, or the other variables that most oil manufacturers test to. The testing protocol for that high temp process is called ASTM D4741
I lot of this information is really technical, and over my head...to be totally honest. We just know that it works well!
So yes...you have the right viscosity, IMHO.
03-14-2007, 03:00 PM
#6
Originally Posted by jonb7007
Do you sell this oil Sharif?
mentioned the my350z.com discount..it will be applied to your order..10% off
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03-14-2007, 03:19 PM
#8
Originally Posted by QuadCam
do you offer free shipping ifyou purchase a certain dollar amount? like $100 worth of oil, for example.
We can do 15% off if you order in case quantities. The 300V comes in 12 bottles per case...2L per bottle. So one case is basically 24L, and enough do change your oil 4-5 times...depending on your oil volume requirements.
03-15-2007, 07:44 AM
#11
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
The heavier weight oils, such as the 15w50 that we use, are designed for high heat, and extreme endurance usage.
For all out sprint racing or drag racing, and higher RPM operation, most engineers would suggest a lower viscosity. For instance, in 24hr LeMans racing, its common to use a 15w50 or even a 20w60.
On a street engine, I think it would be prudent to choose an oil, desired for "endurance" specs, rather than flat our high RPM sprint or drag racing. We want our engines to last, and the oil to protect under extreme conditions.
I found the spec sheets and technical presenation for 300V. Its 14.5mb..if you want it..hit me up on AOL IM. On one interesting slide, they subjected an engine to 40 HOURS of 150 C degree oil temps, which is far above what anyone would see, and the engine showed no signs of deterioration, sheer loss, or the other variables that most oil manufacturers test to. The testing protocol for that high temp process is called ASTM D4741
I lot of this information is really technical, and over my head...to be totally honest. We just know that it works well!
So yes...you have the right viscosity, IMHO.
For all out sprint racing or drag racing, and higher RPM operation, most engineers would suggest a lower viscosity. For instance, in 24hr LeMans racing, its common to use a 15w50 or even a 20w60.
On a street engine, I think it would be prudent to choose an oil, desired for "endurance" specs, rather than flat our high RPM sprint or drag racing. We want our engines to last, and the oil to protect under extreme conditions.
I found the spec sheets and technical presenation for 300V. Its 14.5mb..if you want it..hit me up on AOL IM. On one interesting slide, they subjected an engine to 40 HOURS of 150 C degree oil temps, which is far above what anyone would see, and the engine showed no signs of deterioration, sheer loss, or the other variables that most oil manufacturers test to. The testing protocol for that high temp process is called ASTM D4741
I lot of this information is really technical, and over my head...to be totally honest. We just know that it works well!
So yes...you have the right viscosity, IMHO.
So you are saying we should or shouldnt buy 50weight oil. I noticed you have 40weight oil that you sell would you recomend that over the 50weight?
03-15-2007, 08:45 AM
#12
Originally Posted by supra crazy
So you are saying we should or shouldnt buy 50weight oil. I noticed you have 40weight oil that you sell would you recomend that over the 50weight?
03-15-2007, 09:43 AM
#13
I may be completely off base here admittedly - trying to learn more about oil: after reading the sticky thread about Mobil 1, wouldn't the 15W oil provide suboptimal protection at startup (i.e. more startup wear) or in cold temperatures? So an ideal oil would be like 0W50 rather than 15W50? If that's even an option...
My limited understanding at this point has led me to oversimply (but I think correctly) that maintaining optimal viscosity throughout the temperature band is best achieved when a oil is rated lower before the W and higher after. So it "thickens" less at lower temperature and "thins" less at higher temperature.
THIS is the thread that I think conveys this if I interpreted correctly.
My limited understanding at this point has led me to oversimply (but I think correctly) that maintaining optimal viscosity throughout the temperature band is best achieved when a oil is rated lower before the W and higher after. So it "thickens" less at lower temperature and "thins" less at higher temperature.
THIS is the thread that I think conveys this if I interpreted correctly.
Last edited by rcdash; 03-15-2007 at 09:45 AM.
03-15-2007, 10:36 AM
#14
Originally Posted by rcdash
I may be completely off base here admittedly - trying to learn more about oil: after reading the sticky thread about Mobil 1, wouldn't the 15W oil provide suboptimal protection at startup (i.e. more startup wear) or in cold temperatures? So an ideal oil would be like 0W50 rather than 15W50? If that's even an option...
My limited understanding at this point has led me to oversimply (but I think correctly) that maintaining optimal viscosity throughout the temperature band is best achieved when a oil is rated lower before the W and higher after. So it "thickens" less at lower temperature and "thins" less at higher temperature.
THIS is the thread that I think conveys this if I interpreted correctly.
My limited understanding at this point has led me to oversimply (but I think correctly) that maintaining optimal viscosity throughout the temperature band is best achieved when a oil is rated lower before the W and higher after. So it "thickens" less at lower temperature and "thins" less at higher temperature.
THIS is the thread that I think conveys this if I interpreted correctly.
03-15-2007, 01:13 PM
#17
you mean thicker? the issue with the 20w (compared to say 0W) is that it is too thick at low temps (like at startup) to do its job well, but in Florida I'm sure it gets to operating temp relatively quickly.
The W-50 part is awesome... There is that Shell and Mobil oil that are both 0W-50. I wonder if anyone uses them here in their cars...
The 10W-60 sounds like a great oil - who makes that? I wonder if W-60 oil would be too thick even at operating temps...
The W-50 part is awesome... There is that Shell and Mobil oil that are both 0W-50. I wonder if anyone uses them here in their cars...
The 10W-60 sounds like a great oil - who makes that? I wonder if W-60 oil would be too thick even at operating temps...
11-01-2007, 05:18 PM
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What does the second number refer to? I've been running 5w-30 in socal forever and my car has been running well. I was contemplating using Motul 300V 5w-30 or Mobil 1 0w-30 as they are both for FI engines. What would be the advantage or running a higher second # (ie. 5w-40,0w-40) oil?
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11-02-2007, 08:15 AM
#19
I wouldn't run iether of those oils in a FI engine, but check the sticky I made on oil analysis and data in the engine/drivetrain forum. It has a very detailed (and I hope an easy to understand) explanation on oil viscosity.
In short, the second number refers to the oil's viscosity at 100 deg C. The higher the oil weight, ie a 30 wt vs 40 wt, the thicker the oil is at that temperature. So a xW-50 is a thicker oil at 100 deg C than a 30 or 40 wt. The adavntage to a higher weight oil, is that a thicker oil will typically have higher film strength than a thinner weight oil. However, this can be a result of the oil's chemistry as well. As an example, in last month's Lubes n' Greases magazine, the film strength and oxidative stability of bio-based lubes, like those similar to slack wax feedstocks used by Shell and those used by companies like RenewaLube, were more stable and maintained film strength longer than sveral Ester based competitiors (namely some popular POE's). So, a thicker oil tends to be more durable in the face of heat and stress, but not always.
Will
In short, the second number refers to the oil's viscosity at 100 deg C. The higher the oil weight, ie a 30 wt vs 40 wt, the thicker the oil is at that temperature. So a xW-50 is a thicker oil at 100 deg C than a 30 or 40 wt. The adavntage to a higher weight oil, is that a thicker oil will typically have higher film strength than a thinner weight oil. However, this can be a result of the oil's chemistry as well. As an example, in last month's Lubes n' Greases magazine, the film strength and oxidative stability of bio-based lubes, like those similar to slack wax feedstocks used by Shell and those used by companies like RenewaLube, were more stable and maintained film strength longer than sveral Ester based competitiors (namely some popular POE's). So, a thicker oil tends to be more durable in the face of heat and stress, but not always.
Will
