WOW I am more disappointed every time you post something. I would love for you to post up the prices you paid and see what others think I highly doubt they will consider it getting "ripped" you are delusional. Also I wouldn't consider some TN cronies "everyone" besides the shop is not just created on the internet or this board there is a real world out there and many other customers and cars that go there not just 350Z's, by the way tell your buddy to pay up.

 

Well, I felt it necessary to chime in here. All I can say is that I had one of the best experiences at japtrix, and I can second that no shop bends over backwards like japtrix does. I bought an APS ST kit from a merchant online (with an outdated solenoid) and japtrix installed it for me. Come to find out the car was smoking like crazy. To make a long story short, japtrix overnighted an upgraded solenoid to their shop and installed it for me at no extra charge. They were not liable for me buying a fualty kit but took responsibility to get the upgraded solenoid for me......service was A+ for me and I would recommend anyone to their shop.

 

To use your words: If I respected you I might take your comments to heart.
You're a hack.

 

The TN kit has been a piece of **** LONG before west made any comments about it. I rember posting about it 1.5 yrs ago. I am sure Japtrix has upset customers, but that is the nature of the business. Every post you make is an attempt distract from the fact that this thread is about a common place issue with a piece of **** kit that was poorly designed. it isn't install error that leads to issues like the OP is seeing, it is poor design routing the exhuast piping

 

Point taken. Not everyone researches anymore, that's for sure.

 

What?? did you run out of lies and third party hearsay to throw out you have to resort to name calling? Too bad I will wait for you to grow up so you can have an adult discussion with some actual first person factual knowledge. You should really digest what people tell you before making the decision it is true, instead of getting upset over your precious kit and start throwing bs around trying to divert from the issue at hand.

 

I agree.

Im in the Tampa area, I hear great things about Japtrix, Ive personally have had no transactions with Japtrix, so why would I talk bad about them?? MIAPLAYA it seems like you are out to defame someones name here.

Besides, arnt you in Cali, what type of interactions have you had other than hearsay, and **** posted on the internet, with Japtrix.

I just think that is so funny

 

doesnt there include a new ac line (upper piece at least?) does the ac line really need 2 b installed by a professional (says so in tn kit install instructions)

 

No, and no. The kit comes with a new lower AC line (compressor to condensor). You can buy the fittings to disconnect and reconnect the AC lines yourself at local auto parts stores. In a perfect world, you'd take the AC to be professionaly recharged after the install, but I've found that getting a can of r134a and one of those little self charging kits works fine.

 

I believe Miaplaya is from Miami (Carol City IIRC - home of Rick Ross )

 

He may come from there originally, but has been from cali as long as I've seen him post here.


Bottom line here is mia has zero experience with japtrix. He is using this to defer from the original post on how the a/c lines melt with his beloved tn kit. He will defend it to his death right or wrong. Mia as for those 2 people that you brought up if your smart keep quite about them as you have no clue what went on between them and the shop. Before you ask yes I know both stories and the people plus I was there. Just once when will Tn or you admit the design was flawed. Then put your effort into fixing the problem instead of always blaming the installer whether it was done by a shop or owner.

 

MIA does have third hand experience with Japtrix, as the owners that complained about Japtrix are also the ones that complained directly to Turbonetics as well.

FWIW, I talked to Abraham when he came up to XAT to inspect and redyno his setup, and he informed me of what exactly happened when dealing with Japtrix. While it's not my job to bash anyone, his account wasn't exactly favorable. Then again I've heard some great things about Japtrix as well. This just goes to show you that ANY shop in the business will have skeletons in the closet, it's just how they address them that seperates the good ones from the bad ones.

As far as Gus' statements in this thread, I think they are a bit unbecoming of a sponsor of this site. I don't really care who it is, sponsors shouldn't make a point to instigate arguments or trash talk others. I've been told multiple times in the past of some bad attitudes from Japtrix employees to customers (Note - not about Gus, everyone seems to like him), and it's kind of left a bad taste in many people's mouth because of it. I'm not going to directly judge their shop directly because I've never personally dealt with them.

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Well, and about your whole ADMIT THERE'S A PROBLEM idea... Who are you to demand somoene "admit to a problem" anyway? Why would someone need to "admit" anything is flawed, if all you must do is take extra care when routing it during the install and it will be fine.

No one has argued that the AC line routing is an issue. People have known that since day one. In fact, I believe I was the FIRST one to ever blow an AC line back in the summer of 05. I've dealt with it on my own, without coming on here and complaining that turbonetics hasn't done everything for me.

If you knew of what you were speaking, you'd know that routing ANYTHING in there that is heat sensitive like an AC line is going to be subject to failure if proper care is not taken. There's simply no room to route something without extra shielding. It's up to the installer to be aware of this and be extra careful during the installation.

Besides, every kit has small issues that can be screwed up without extra care during the install. On the top of my head, I can say that the greddy kit has a tendency to melt through couplers, and the emanage blue just sucks. Greddy hasn't done anything to change it, yet instead of complaining and demanding greddy change it, owners have found a way to deal with it and get the kit performing to standard by careful install and upgrading the EMS, fuel system, etc. The same can be said with the APS ST and its boost and oil issues.

I think the OP of this thread is the one at fault for titling the thread in a moment of irritation it seems. He states that he didn't mean to bash anyone, but it certainly seems as if he did.

My suggestion would be to quit crying and do something to fix your own problem, or take precautions during the install to avoid it happening in the first place. Perhaps we should make a thread on "how to prepare and route your Turbonics AC line" instead of perpetuating one that accomplishes nothing (such as this)...

 

Well those customers were two and they may have gotten some attitude but it was after pushing it to the ridiculous limits of expectations, Abraham was not happy because of the power what could be done about that, again they were never going to be happy. So for people (miaplaya) to use those examples as the normal experience with Japtrix is unfair, he has not talked to the countless APS/JWT/Greddy customers that have had kits installed and tuned there and that is just 350Z/G35 people let alone the EVO, STi...........

Basically Miaplaya pounced on that as he had no other point to make.

And hey yes everyone likes me I am a lovable guy probably because I was a customer first and treat people the way I would want to be treated.

Basically Japtrix moved on after Turbonetics offered the dealership, which they did even after Abraham's experience so I guess it could not have been that bad, we thought about it but the hassles were too many with that kit and moved on to be direct with JWT, APS, Greddy and now HKS.

I am no longer a sponsor on this site as it not worth it so my comments were personal and it was Miaplaya that brought the shop into it and from then I was defending it.

 

Taurran as far as the admit there is a problem for the 2 of them it's easy. It's called the 12 step plan. It is really funny how when it comes to a Tn kit and a problem everyone is fix it and move on. Nobody would waste a breath about greddy and aps as they know what the resulsts would be. Maybe if mia and the tn follwers weren't so high and mighty this wouldn't happen. Since everybody talks about how great tn's customer service they should fix there design to aleveate the problem for there customers. Don't bring up other mfgs as they are not the problem here. We can all take up alot of bandwidth when that time arises.

 

Yes, and what I'm saying that without proper care when routing the AC line, it will burn through regardless of design. If you knew what the piping was like in that area you'd realize that it does take a good amount of thought and consideration to route it away from anything hot. It's still up to the installer to do so, not Turbonetics.

This is an aftermarket turbo kit we're talking about, not a shorty antenna. If you expect the install to be completed with no hitches by ANYONE, then your expectations are horribly wrong. What do you really want them to do, fly out to that person's garage and hold their hand while they route the AC line? They're a turbo manufacturer, not the "geek squad".

And yes, I'll bring other manufacturers into this because they're simply examples of the same sort of issue.


As far as a "fix", the only way I could see making this idiot proof would be to fab up some sort of custom hard line to include in the kit. Even then, I'm not sure how possible it would be to fit in there with the close proximity and tangle of piping. Besides, why would they drive the price of the kit up with a custom AC hard line when the present line has worked if installed correctly?



And finally, I don't see why people that' don't even own this kit have felt the need to chime in here and "demand" that it be fixed. If you're telling me I shouldn't even bring in examples of other manufacturers, then you don't need to be posting in this thread.

Oh, and I think the whole "high and mighty" thing is a bit humerous. If anyone is "high and mighty" here it would be the ones who have taken up various agendas and continue to bash this kit (despite not owning one)...

 

I think you make a very valid point here. Why would TN design the kit to run the dump pipe off the turbo through an area with limited space and close proximity to lines sensitive to heat like the A/C line? To me, that is an inherent design flaw that most anyone can clearly see. There is no fix unless the kit is completely redesigned.

I really feel sorry for those that bought the kit. IMHO, the design of the kit all but guarantees some sort of heat related issue. I give TN props for marketing and selling these kits, but buyer beware.

and Mia, what's the word on stage 1.5 and 2?

 

No I'm just tired of you and your butt buddies blathering on. Keep on defending Craptrix. I care less. You don't like what your customers tell people, treat them better and they won't do it anymore. In the mean time its no secret why people are driving 4 hours or more to other shops for work on their cars.

 

It must be on the same development path as the APS tuning system and CARB cert.

 

CARB cert is a pipe dream for any Z33 turbo apps. But getting a properly equipped turbo kit is something that TN should have introduced a few yrs ago rather than the half @ssed attempt we see them offer currently. Besides, one state out of the country is affected by CARB so whoopidy f^cking dooo. I would look at it as incentive to move out of the people's republic of California

and it's no secret why we see all sorts of posts about TN issues and why TN kits are being dumped left and right for TT setups

 

Where can I get one of these???
Jeez don't say that I just installed my TN kit, why did your motor blow?