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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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4shiz is FI? Maybe you have never been through **** with your stock car thats why you dont give a ****.. But most of us FI members who have been there and done that know what its like to get ****ed over..... Losing 10k+ is no joke.. So 4shiz you may want to stop being so sensitive.. Dave is a grown man he can defend himself (which he will do just fine).. Regardless we are all trying to understand his "warranty" program and why it could provide false hope to some FI newb..
Hey.. 4Shiz is FI.

A lot of needless chatter on here.

My car is under Function Tuned Warranty. Its run the **** out of all the time. Proper maintence and records are kept in a book. I have bad zero problems from this Tuner nor any of his work. I stand by my tuner because I know I hold my end of the bargain with what is stated in the Warranty.

There is no suspect to this Warranty. There is no second guessing. It is what it is. And it is up to the descretion of the tuner. Be honest and have records to back up your maintence. As in all matters of business. Word of mouth means nothing. I take my care with the oil and get it documented in a computer everytime.

This thread needs to be cleaned up. All the little jokes about texts and pm's has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread at all. Clean it up mods.
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I love when people tell me how to do my job yawn. Especially those people who are known advertising customers of said shop in question.
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Originally Posted by ZRuggernDC
Hey.. 4Shiz is FI.

A lot of needless chatter on here.

My car is under Function Tuned Warranty. Its run the **** out of all the time. Proper maintence and records are kept in a book. I have bad zero problems from this Tuner nor any of his work. I stand by my tuner because I know I hold my end of the bargain with what is stated in the Warranty.

There is no suspect to this Warranty. There is no second guessing. It is what it is. And it is up to the descretion of the tuner. Be honest and have records to back up your maintence. As in all matters of business. Word of mouth means nothing. I take my care with the oil and get it documented in a computer everytime.

This thread needs to be cleaned up. All the little jokes about texts and pm's has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread at all. Clean it up mods.
Ok, just saying 4shizzl sounds really offended for nothing.. Sounds like your happy.. I was only saying what if your **** blew tomorrow... Then what.. If its under warranty it should be covered right?? But thats when youll see true colors thats all.... What if your told not that its not covered cause u beat the **** out of it..... Thats all...... Then lets see how happy you are covering a new Greddy TT and stock motor or built motor... Over 15-25k easy...

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Ok, just saying 4shizzl sounds really offended for nothing.. Sounds like your happy.. I was only saying what if your **** blew tomorrow... Then what.. If its under warranty it should be covered right?? But thats when youll see true colors thats all.... What if your told not that its not covered cause u beat the **** out of it..... Thats all...... Then lets see how happy you are covering a new Greddy TT and stock motor or built motor... Over 15-25k easy...
I love how people who have never been thru a blown motor of any kind have so much to say about this and that. And because they go to the shop and they think if they defend them they wont get treated the same way as said customer. I used to be one of those guys too.
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Ok, just saying 4shizzl sounds really offended for nothing.. Sounds like your happy.. I was only saying what if your **** blew tomorrow... Then what.. If its under warranty it should be covered right?? But thats when youll see true colors thats all.... What if your told not that its not covered cause u beat the **** out of it..... Thats all......
Roger. That is the question. Regardless of what is said and who supports who and all that the question is if my car's Engine blew tomorrow would it be covered. I would have to say yes. Because, I have all my maintence records since day one. And when I have questions about my engine or car period I call this guy up that I spend X amount of dollars with my car on and I trust in him to do me right. That's just good business. IMO.
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Originally Posted by r0mey
I love when people tell me how to do my job yawn. Especially those people who are known advertising customers of said shop in question.
OUCH !!


Originally Posted by Jay'Z
Ok, just saying 4shizzl sounds really offended for nothing.. Sounds like your happy.. I was only saying what if your **** blew tomorrow... Then what.. If its under warranty it should be covered right?? But thats when youll see true colors thats all.... What if your told not that its not covered cause u beat the **** out of it..... Thats all...... Then lets see how happy you are covering a new Greddy TT and stock motor or built motor... Over 15-25k easy...
And thats the bottom line.....If you have a warranty...you expect it to be covered for what is stated on the warranty....If Dave finds that it was because of customer running it dry....Then its not covered.

If you have a new NA car with a bumper to bumper warranty and you install an FI kit...and the motor blows up....is it still covered???? No....

I was told to ask the OP (In PM)is there oil all over the bottom of the car or engine bay....I was told by members/shops that if the answer is no....then they think he ran it dry....now Driven1 post up some hidden info....what more can be said.....BUT WHY WAS HE ADDING A QT OF OIL A DAY???

All this FLEXING crap is not help anything...

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I love how people who have never been thru a blown motor of any kind have so much to say about this and that. And because they go to the shop and they think if they defend them they wont get treated the same way as said customer. I used to be one of those guys too.
Sorry for my out there side note but this is the reason I stopped paying and showing support to this site.

Thanks for reaffirming my small change being left in my bank. K. Thanks. Bye.
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Can I quote myself?

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If the cause for a blown motor is "unknown", does the warranty still cover it?

Else if the the cause of the blown motor is "known", in this case low oil, but the cause of low oil is "unknown", does the warranty still cover it?
I'm seeing that the "unknown" is becoming an issue here.
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Originally Posted by ZRuggernDC
Roger. That is the question. Regardless of what is said and who supports who and all that the question is if my car's Engine blew tomorrow would it be covered. I would have to say yes. Because, I have all my maintence records since day one. And when I have questions about my engine or car period I call this guy up that I spend X amount of dollars with my car on and I trust in him to do me right. That's just good business. IMO.
What happens if its not. Well we wouldn't know because you probably wouldn't post about it.
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Originally Posted by ZRuggernDC
Sorry for my out there side note but this is the reason I stopped paying and showing support to this site.

Thanks for reaffirming my small change being left in my bank. K. Thanks. Bye.
So it if so bad why are you posting here then?

God forbid anybody has a opinion different from your biased one of things.
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what i dont get is that someone is actually defending the ammount of oil the car was consuming.... i mean this was was not a built enigne...and ...my 03 stock engine lasted fine with oil changes every 3k miles , with decent "spirited driving"(i guess that what we are calling it) and typical AZ heat....
I mean its bs, like poeple that have to flush their system every week, or change coolant every weeek.....or oil every 2 weeks...as if that was somethign that had to be "regular"(like if the car was a full race car lol).....if i had to do all that then it means something is wrong... I am not saying stop looking, but the results of your "hawk" maintenance should be trouble free jsut like this:


Originally Posted by ZruggenDC
Proper maintence and records are kept in a book. I have bad zero problems from this Tuner nor any of his work
is your engine stock?...how much oil does it consume?
I mean the paper is kinda BS, then if tis liek you say at the discresion of the tuner in the end....
i mean this was caught right away on post #8 in F:Ts warranty thread.

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Too many variables...I blow motor, I say I changed the oil, you say I didn't...who wins? Good luck with that.

i mean dave still warrantied a car with 400whp with very lil safety checks(gauges, etc) for the OP...who as a n00b expected to get everything he needed sold...and ovbiously i imagine was adviced on maintenance, and what he neded for the warranty....

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What happens if its not. Well we wouldn't know because you probably wouldn't post about it.
You sir may challenge your own mind in this. However, I am a Non-Commissioned Officer and I take what I am very seriously. My integrity in these matters and others to that will never be in question. If I had a serious issue with my tuner and I had to drop another 10K or more out of my pocket you can bet your sweet little butt that this would be a small court claim with a judge to decide who should pay for what. That is how adult matters are handled, in my book.

For those in the MID-Atlantic who know me, they know this is true. Integrity may be something you cannot grasp but please believe it is a core value.
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Originally Posted by r0mey
What happens if its not. Well we wouldn't know because you probably wouldn't post about it.
I don't think it's too fair for you to make such accusation.... What makes you think he won't post about it here if his motor does blow and warranty does not cover it?
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Originally Posted by ZRuggernDC
Roger. That is the question. Regardless of what is said and who supports who and all that the question is if my car's Engine blew tomorrow would it be covered. I would have to say yes. Because, I have all my maintence records since day one. And when I have questions about my engine or car period I call this guy up that I spend X amount of dollars with my car on and I trust in him to do me right. That's just good business. IMO.
First paragraph of the warranty homie.....

Over the past three years through my extensive experience with the 350Z and G35 platform and all aspects of its performance upgrades we now offer a 12 month Unlimited Mile Warranty on Stock Rods and Pistons (i.e. the parts that normally break on Stock FI Motors). There are certain requirements that must be met by the customer over the term of the warranty, but nothing that is outside of the norm when it comes to proper maintenance of a FI 350Z/G35. This means that you must change your oil with Motul 300V or similar oil every 3000 miles and we will not cover user errors such as over revving, overheating (lack of coolant), over boosting, sanctioned track/racing use, oil starvation or stock mechanical failures in the timing system or valve train. As many of you know the stock rods in these cars are very small, but with the proper tuning, setup, maintenance, and quality install by Function:TUNED those issues can be avoided.
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First paragraph of the warranty homie.....

Over the past three years through my extensive experience with the 350Z and G35 platform and all aspects of its performance upgrades we now offer a 12 month Unlimited Mile Warranty on Stock Rods and Pistons (i.e. the parts that normally break on Stock FI Motors). There are certain requirements that must be met by the customer over the term of the warranty, but nothing that is outside of the norm when it comes to proper maintenance of a FI 350Z/G35. This means that you must change your oil with Motul 300V or similar oil every 3000 miles and we will not cover user errors such as over revving, overheating (lack of coolant), over boosting, sanctioned track/racing use, oil starvation or stock mechanical failures in the timing system or valve train. As many of you know the stock rods in these cars are very small, but with the proper tuning, setup, maintenance, and quality install by Function:TUNED those issues can be avoided.
Robbie I think the main argument here is not about whether it is user's error or not. The argument here is what caused the low oil. There seems to be suspicion that it COULD BE related to improper installation. At least that's what I get out of reading everyone's posts.

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I don't think it's too fair for you to make such accusation.... What makes you think he won't post about it here if his motor does blow and warranty does not cover it?
Well...thats the norm over here....most dont tell when things fail.


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is your engine stock?...how much oil does it consume?
I mean the paper is kinda BS, then if tis liek you say at the discresion of the tuner in the end....
i mean this was caught right away on post #8 in F:Ts warranty thread.

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i mean dave still warrantied a car with 400whp with very lil safety checks(gauges, etc) for the OP...who as a n00b expected to get everything he needed sold...and ovbiously i imagine was adviced on maintenance, and what he neded for the warranty....
And that question has still not been answered. A QT of oil a day?? Where did it go??


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Robbie I think the main argument here is not about whether it is user's error or not. The argument here is what caused the low oil. There seems to be suspicion that it COULD BE related to improper installation. At least that's what I get out of reading everyone's posts.
Could be improper installation....could be OP did not really add any oil...We know no that the OP drove the car hard ( Which is not an issue) ...but if he did not add oil....its an issue.....we dont know..Only Dave and the OP really know.

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Well...thats the norm over here....most dont tell when things fail.
Exactly!!
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Well...thats the norm over here....most dont tell when things fail.
Really?!?!?! Even when it's 5k, 10k of repair cost? Does favoring a shop really mean that much for people here that they won't even complain about a 10k repair cost that they don't think is fair?

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didnt the OP say he had fuel leak and very high oil consumption that was adviced to F:T.
And his friend that has posted here too mentioned how oil was filled up to normal when he saw it a week before ti went down?

From what the OP and his friends said to me....they told Dave about a fuel leak and a QT of oil had to be added per day. That tells me that something was wrong from the start

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Really?!?!?! Even when it's 5k, 10k of repair cost? Does favoring a shop really mean that much of people here that they won't even complain about a 10k repair cost that they don't think is fair?
no, most people(reasonable customers) try to resolve it with the shop directly...and they are not denied a warranty...
heck those that i consider good shops here i would expect that if they are the only cooks they are responsible for a lot of things...
I mean, i almost feel that the way the warranty is written, it says you cannot ever take your car to the track even if jsut for 1-2 1/4mile runs



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