It's a better problem to have than taking it back cause your chit is fugged up.

 

Yea I thought that was one of the benefits of the vpro?

 

Very true! I had been running 500whp on the stock block since August with no issues. That has to say something about the tune. It went in for motor work only because I wanted more power. One of the few cars they have that is getting a built motor without first blowing the old one up.

 

i agree with your point, but still believe that there are a large number of people modding the 300ZX... this was proven to me by the number of them around here and up at ZDayz... but, this was not the point i was trying to get across... all i was/am saying is that there are many documented cases of people with the 300ZX and supras on different boards (some people even provided links on this forum) who claim to have had very similar experiences with SGP... and it looks to me that we're both trying to do the same thing here...watch out for our fellow Z enthusiasts and educate them on who to do business with and who to stay away from... i guess i don't see why you'd defend SGP?

i know you're not trying to be antagonistic and this is a good healthy debate... to answer your question, i'll have to do it in two parts...

one, my comment was that this thread is not an example of people jumping on a "bash SGP bandwagon" (notice i also said "for simple issues") post... this thread is about MAJOR screw ups with high dollar builds... i don't see anyone here complaining of a pop-charger installed incorrectly...

two, even though i have not had direct experience with SGP via my own vehicle, i have had experience with them from witnessing, first hand, the cars that they put out as well as having the luxury of meeting and speaking with the owners of said cars... i practically live at Forged Performance and even though i've not heard a single deragotory word from Sharif about SGP while there, i have been witness to quite a few cars that have come in with extremely shoddy workmanship... it's far too much of a coincidence that all of them that i've seen have pretty much had the same issue... no shop is perfect, but if a single shop continues to make the same mistake over and over again, it is fairly evident that they either a) have no idea how to do the work or b) don't care enough to check their work or behind their employees performing the work...

 

see my above post to noah

never said i was an experienced tuner...but, i do know quite a bit about my car, my tune and how it should run... i am the type to truly educate myself on things before diving headlong into them...especially when i'm spending 20k in the process... and why didn't in install my own kit? i guess maybe because i don't own a shop with the appropriate tools, lifts, and such? people ask some silly questions...

 

I could say the exact same thing about cars coming to SGP from other shops. But, I will NOT bash a shop that I personally have had no dealings with. Just goes back to my statement above about every shop having satisfied AND unsatisfied customers.

 

and that's your prerogative... but, if you saw quite a few cars with major issues stemming from one single shop, i think you're doing your fellow Z enthusiasts a disservice by not letting them know what you're privy to... we have to look out for one another... and that's exactly what i'm doing by posting what i've seen...

 

This whole thread is why people just need to learn to do everything themselves. When it comes to money, NO ONE is your friend. The only thing I'd have anyone do is tune my car.

 

Here is a question for you guys, and I am not for SGP by any means....how many cars have they done compared to all of these other shops? The more cars you have on the road, the more potential unhappy customers you have. Also, the bigger and busier shops get it is harder to produce as quality of a product....just a thought. This is by no means okay, if a shop gets a reputation for being good and then as they grow things go down hill it is not okay imho, but it does happen and through no conscious fault of theirs, just too busy to double check the details.

 

Part of the problem with telling what you have seen is that you may or may not have the whole story....I think the only people who should post problems are people that have personally dealt with the whole process. The customer can do things to screw up a job as well. Like telling the shop I need it today when they need another week, that can cause a problem and it is not the fault of the shop.

Also, like I have said, I had an issue with them(SGP) but I did not post it because I dealt with it with them. That is what should be done, not bashing some company. You handle your own business issues and I do not think it is right to influence people like this. There is always two sides to a story....that being said, SGP has built a LOT of blocks that are good. Will I go back there? No, but I would tell someone that they do a good job as far as I am concerned but to just be careful.

I think it is irresponsible to tell someone they should NOT under any circumstances go to SGP, or any other shop. They would not be in business if they did not do a good job at least some of the time.

 

i rieterate: "i have had experience with them from witnessing, first hand, the cars that they put out as well as having the luxury of meeting and speaking with the owners of said cars..."

even if i had not of spoken with the owners and heard their stories, the cars still speak for themselves... as i stated in a post above, the one person a week or so ago did not even know the extent of the mess his car was in...

and no matter what, the shop has a responsibility to make certain the car is correct... sure, nearly every customer out there is in a hurry, but it's up to the shop to set the time table, not the client... i agree that growth can cause poorer quality inspection...that's why you HIRE new people when you grow! i can't stand when shops (in any industry) allow their customer service to fall off due to business growth... their CS is more than likely what established the growth in the first place...why would you ever let it slip??

i find it funny that even the supporters of SGP admit to having bad experiences / tunes with/from them... i may defend forged if someone bashed them, but only because i've never had a single issue... i wouldn't support them if they'd mangled anything of mine... oh, and just fyi...i've never told anyone to stay away from SGP... so, you can't blame me for that...

 

Dont get me wrong I do not supprt SGP, I just hate how many peopl, not saying you do this, jump on here and bash a company they have never talked to, seen work from, or been to. I agree with you about customer service falling off when a company gets bigger it is terrible.

As for my point about speaking on someone elses behalf, I still disagree with that because you cant possibly know everything that happened. That is all I am saying, not that you are intentianlly misrepresenting or misstating the facts, just that you dont have them all. I think any of these issues should and can be handled with the company that a person decides to go with, not on the forums. Just my opinion and I understand others feel differently and that is fine.

I do agree that Gman bumping this, just to keep the thread alive is pretty poor, but that is his perogative.

 

I have seen it! Am I doing a disservice? NO. Why? Because I do not know the whole story. Yes, I may hear what the owner of the car says, but I don't know what the shop says about the car. To me the disservice is to assume the shop's side of the story or to not even want to hear the shop's side of the story. I've seen it many times where the customer says they didn't do anything to make the motor blow up, but upon further investigation, they actually messed with the boost controller. Of course, that is just an example, but you should get the idea.

 

That is what I am saying as well. I just think everyone needs to handle their own business and people need to make up their own minds and live with it.

 

Wow...not trying to be a dick . But I have talked to two people personlly that said the same thing about Forged Performance . Both had to take thier car else were to have it fixed and or tuned right . Im not going to name names . But Im not making it up .

You have to realize that all shops are going to make mistakes . And when a shop gets big because of a good rep . They grow and hire more people and its hard to control and inspect ever job that goes out the door . They try to hire the best people they can afford . But the people hired dont own the buisness and dont care as much as the owner . SGP didnt get a good rep by doing shoddy work in the first place . I dont see SGP on this site much , so it seems easy to bash them . While we have shops that are sponsors and let bad work out the door and you never hear about it on this site . All we ever hear on this site , is praise about the shops that are sponsors . The shops on this site fight like cats and dogs trying to win your buisness and I dont put it passed them to help along a bad rumor about another shop .

 

i assume nothing... i don't know how many times i have to say this...and trust me, it will be the last time...the examples i cite do not fall in the category that you describe... jorge did nothing to his car, he spent loads of money and it was crap... the car i spoke of previously was just returned to the owner on may 1st... he did nothing to the car and it was crap... the tune was shot and the fuel pump housing assembly was mangled... the examples i've seen: bad tunes, mangle fuel housing, improperly installed FCONs, are all things that cannot and are not customer related... i agree that the customer can cause issue with their cars, but in none of the cases posted in this thread is that remotely true... so, your argument is bogus...

 

i'm all for hearing the bad experiences... those help as much as the good when deciding who to spend your money with... the people who've had issue with any shop should step up and let their stories be known... it would give people perspective on the percentage of good vs. bad that comes out of the shop... same goes for Forged Performance... the two people you speak of should tell their stories so that others might be educated... this would also give sharif a sounding board to state his side or to learn from his mistakes... i don't think that a bad experience always has to have a negative ending...

and i don't know if you're insinuating that sharif or Forged Performance would
"help along a bad rumour about another shop" with that comment, but i can assure you that sharif never says a negative word about any shop... sometimes his stoicism in the matter makes me ill...

 

You assume that Shariff has not spoken with the two people he is speaking of. This is the point not everyone posts their experience with any shops and that is why the bad stories should not be posted because there are two sides and it seems from what I read that the majority of people here just believe what the consumer says.

As for your previous post, you do assume things when you speak for someone else whether you intentionally do it or not. You repeat what they tell you and what you see, but you cannot know for sure you remember it right or know how what you saw got to the point where it is. I think you should let people tell their own stories and leave it at that. If they do not want to post here then you shouldnt do it for them.

 

we will have to agree to disagree as this debate could continue forever...

 

My first paragraph was an example that even Forged P. can have dis-satisfied customers . The second paragraph was about shops that are sponsors on this site and my observation of what goes on . And the fact that all shops , if they succeed will have poor workmanship go out of thier doors at one time or another . It seems as soon as that happens and some one posts about it . THAT SHOP is BLACK BALLED and then the next day some one posts about a good experience they have with another shop . Then that shop becomes the best shop on the site . This keeps repeating its self , over and over .