My SGP experience
Originally Posted by doug
who cares... the thread is about his horror story.. not the ones he fixed..
just because a murderer kills a man who was going to kill someone else doesn't make him any less of a murderer
just because a murderer kills a man who was going to kill someone else doesn't make him any less of a murderer
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Sam rewired everything how it was supposed to be, changed out my injectors, and gave me a perfect tune.
-TODD
Originally Posted by turismo
Kind of off topic, but.......Gman, how did you determine it was a blown coil? Was it hesitating real bad? Im having issues right now and I think it might be a blown coil. Also, how did you determine, which coil was blown? Thanx.
Originally Posted by bverschage
This may be true, but I am sure that you have heard of the countless cars that Mark has worked on from other shops all around the country as well!
Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
Hey, where's my credit??? If I remember correctly, Sam and I rewired the FCON
-TODD
-TODD
Originally Posted by stormcrow
how i missed a full page of bs, i don't know... but, i know jorge... i was at forged when sam tuned his car... his open dumps made me gag...
i know the shape his car was in when it came to ATL... i heard the horror stories... nothing about his story has changed since that time last year... i'm glad mark offered his side of the story, but nothing will sway my opinion when i witnessed the atrocity first hand...
i know the shape his car was in when it came to ATL... i heard the horror stories... nothing about his story has changed since that time last year... i'm glad mark offered his side of the story, but nothing will sway my opinion when i witnessed the atrocity first hand...Dont anyone get the wrong idea that I am taking sides here. I wish that Gman could have worked it out with SGP, that is where I stand.
Originally Posted by Navygolf13
That is fine, but you would have gone on saying that the other side never even came back and said anything.....all my point is, is that this stuff never does anything to further the community. And the reason is because there are always different stories from people involved. And again I am not saying Gman is lying here or doing anything malicious. The bottom line is that you missed a whole page and I am sure other people have sa well, this is why there is a problem with doing this.
Dont anyone get the wrong idea that I am taking sides here. I wish that Gman could have worked it out with SGP, that is where I stand.
Dont anyone get the wrong idea that I am taking sides here. I wish that Gman could have worked it out with SGP, that is where I stand.
Originally Posted by The Devils Z
Deja Vu all over again. I am not a member of this forum ..pretty well known on twinturbo.net It's amazing how fast bad news travels .. I got an IM about this today ..
.. I have had my dealings with Mark and this thread plays like a bad movie that I don't care to see again ..
1) Shipping car back to SGP with motor issues
2) poor quality work noticed right after pick up
3) unauthorized credit card charges
4) no return calls
5) promises of "I'll give it to you at my cost"
I actually had to get the better business bureau involved and disputed charges with my credit card company as Fraud. I love my Z ( check out my site ) , but I'd sell it before I let SGP touch it again ..it's gone all down hill since Kyle left ..
read the links below for your facts ... familiar reading ???
Original rant after I had enough of the BS
Original Post
Unauthorized credit card charges ( just found the charge on my credit card statement and spent a week trying to get ahold of Mark @ SGP
Mark's response
My response
Upon diagnosing a ton of oil leaks ( SGP never test drove the car prior to pick up ), I drove the Z back to Delaware from Texas, had to put 1/2 oil in the motor in Virginia.
I find later JB weld on my block ???? WTF ????
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg...msg_id=1851906
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg...msg_id=1851984
Run a search on Supra Forums -- you will find similiar posts
.. I have had my dealings with Mark and this thread plays like a bad movie that I don't care to see again ..
1) Shipping car back to SGP with motor issues
2) poor quality work noticed right after pick up
3) unauthorized credit card charges
4) no return calls
5) promises of "I'll give it to you at my cost"
I actually had to get the better business bureau involved and disputed charges with my credit card company as Fraud. I love my Z ( check out my site ) , but I'd sell it before I let SGP touch it again ..it's gone all down hill since Kyle left ..
read the links below for your facts ... familiar reading ???
Original rant after I had enough of the BS
Original Post
Unauthorized credit card charges ( just found the charge on my credit card statement and spent a week trying to get ahold of Mark @ SGP
Mark's response
My response
Upon diagnosing a ton of oil leaks ( SGP never test drove the car prior to pick up ), I drove the Z back to Delaware from Texas, had to put 1/2 oil in the motor in Virginia.
I find later JB weld on my block ???? WTF ????
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg...msg_id=1851906
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg...msg_id=1851984
Run a search on Supra Forums -- you will find similiar posts
Originally Posted by stormcrow
i have to disagree... it most certainly does benefit the community... if people just held their tongues to save the reputations of vendors or for any reason, then we all lose when we get screwed just as they did... i can't believe anyone would think otherwise... my missing the page where mark made his rebuttal means nothing in this instance... truth is truth no matter what both sides say...and unfortunately in this instance, the truth lies in jorge's story... i say unfortunately because a) jorge got royally screwed and b) mark's business is going to take a hit because of it... i don't like to see anyone's business wrecked... i'm sure mark has produced some good, reliable cars... it's a sad state of affairs for both parties... but, i can tell you this: i applaud jorge for coming forward... the consumers have a right to know...
As for what you say about Gman getting screwed, it sounds like it to me. All the extra work he had to have done is ridiculous, should have been done right the first time. But, I think you are waaaay off base when you say SGP is going to take a hit. They have been around for a long time and they will be, personnaly I will never go there for anything else because of my own issues with them.
Bottom line is that many people are very happy with their car from SGP and others cant stand them, they will continue to do business this way. Never fails, you cant please everyone. Also, I understand what you are saying about posting here, I just dont share that opinion. Now worries and hopefully everything is better from here on out.
Navy i definitely agree with you man, i feel like everyone has their own stories, opinions, "truths," etc and that they should all be carefully weighed and measured. also, i don't feel like SGP will be taking too many hits either, i feel like you have to experience something first hand and that way nobody is telling you what to do and not do. my car is going there soon and no matter what ya'll say i will go there until, god forbid, something happens to me. i mean you guys say this will better the community, i just dont see that at all. i see information that could be taken with a grain of salt or something that could hit home, that's all. so it either changes people's opinions/minds or doesn't do a damn thing, that's just how people are tho! what can ya do? there's a lot of stories of people out there that haven't been told also, that's something you have to worry about...i'm just saying if you guys heard something bad about Sam or Sharif (this is a hypothetical!) would you stop going to them?
has Jorge said yet if his car is 100%? i sent him a pm and wanted to know what numbers and all that good stuff he was making but haven't heard back yet...keep us updated on the progress of the car as well, or someone point me in the right direction so i can see for myself! thanks
has Jorge said yet if his car is 100%? i sent him a pm and wanted to know what numbers and all that good stuff he was making but haven't heard back yet...keep us updated on the progress of the car as well, or someone point me in the right direction so i can see for myself! thanks
Originally Posted by crmd37
...i'm just saying if you guys heard something bad about Sam or Sharif (this is a hypothetical!) would you stop going to them?
** HYPOTHETICALLY**
If people started coming out of the woodwork posting all the bad experiences they had with them like has been in this thread, you bet I would try and find somewhere else to go.. BUT.. That will never happen. They are the ones that take care of everyone else's problems and in the end, finally realize they should have gone with them from the start....
Originally Posted by crmd37
...i'm just saying if you guys heard something bad about Sam or Sharif (this is a hypothetical!) would you stop going to them?
if i heard Sam and Sharif hooked up Jorge's Vpro wrong.. why the hell would i go to either one of them to have my Vpro hooked up? to hope and pray that by now they have figured out the right way to do it? or that i won't mind my car being hooked up wrong
Originally Posted by crmd37
Navy i definitely agree with you man, i feel like everyone has their own stories, opinions, "truths," etc and that they should all be carefully weighed and measured.
Here is Sam's pm to me. I'll post it again so you can read it carefully. I guess Sam is lying about what he had to fix on my car. So what ever you say, my side, SGP's side, you can't deny Mark hooked my chit up wrong!
Originally Posted by Sam@GTM
hey Jorge ,
please don't take this the wrong way .it going to be a bad idea for me to post in that thread ,not that what your posting is wrong this is not the case ,just because SGP is also our customer and it will cause some friction ,and probably it already have .I really thoutgh all that was already handled between you and SGP long time a ago ,I hope you understand .
for your information and eys only here is the problems that I found when I was working on your car
1- knock amp was not connected ,there is several wires beside power and ground that need to be connected inputs like the cam and crank signals and there grounds from the Ecu or f con .also the knock output also was not concocted, that basically tells the v pro when knock is acquiring so the vpro can pull timing .the only wires were connected were the a/f feed back and the power and ground to the know amp .,so with out these inputs and out puts the knock amp will never work ,
2- knock amp was not celebrated ,free air calibrations was not preformed because the defaults setting were steel there .
3- the intake temp sensor was install in the wrong location ,it was put on in the intake piping before the throttle body ,to get an accurate air intake temp reading it needs to be in the intake it self ,other wise why even bother .you can uses the air temp being off
4-so between the knock amp not being calibrated and the temp sensor in the wrong location that was the main reason for the rich condition .
5-precision injectors in my opinion are junk they are not true 1000cc injectors they are modified to be able to flow 1000cc ,there spray pattern will cause some serious drivability issue ,wide open throttle is no problem but atomization is very poor ,I don't know if you remember mike eddens it took a lot of convincing to have him switch to denso injectors and he the same precision injectors like you did. he did send them out to be tested and sure enough they were horrible .
so this pretty much what I found ,I hope I did not board with the details ,I just want to make sure we are on the same page .
it is unfortunate for all this to happened ,I hop things workout for you have my # call me if you need anything .
Sam
please don't take this the wrong way .it going to be a bad idea for me to post in that thread ,not that what your posting is wrong this is not the case ,just because SGP is also our customer and it will cause some friction ,and probably it already have .I really thoutgh all that was already handled between you and SGP long time a ago ,I hope you understand .
for your information and eys only here is the problems that I found when I was working on your car
1- knock amp was not connected ,there is several wires beside power and ground that need to be connected inputs like the cam and crank signals and there grounds from the Ecu or f con .also the knock output also was not concocted, that basically tells the v pro when knock is acquiring so the vpro can pull timing .the only wires were connected were the a/f feed back and the power and ground to the know amp .,so with out these inputs and out puts the knock amp will never work ,
2- knock amp was not celebrated ,free air calibrations was not preformed because the defaults setting were steel there .
3- the intake temp sensor was install in the wrong location ,it was put on in the intake piping before the throttle body ,to get an accurate air intake temp reading it needs to be in the intake it self ,other wise why even bother .you can uses the air temp being off
4-so between the knock amp not being calibrated and the temp sensor in the wrong location that was the main reason for the rich condition .
5-precision injectors in my opinion are junk they are not true 1000cc injectors they are modified to be able to flow 1000cc ,there spray pattern will cause some serious drivability issue ,wide open throttle is no problem but atomization is very poor ,I don't know if you remember mike eddens it took a lot of convincing to have him switch to denso injectors and he the same precision injectors like you did. he did send them out to be tested and sure enough they were horrible .
so this pretty much what I found ,I hope I did not board with the details ,I just want to make sure we are on the same page .
it is unfortunate for all this to happened ,I hop things workout for you have my # call me if you need anything .
Sam
Mark if you're still reading this and want to make things right I plan on upgrading my turbos to 20G. Maybe you could hook me up with a "real" deal to make up for this?
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Mark if you're still reading this and want to make things right I plan on upgrading my turbos to 20G. Maybe you could hook me up with a "real" deal to make up for this?
As far as knowing how the car runs now for crmd, I think Gman has said a couple time he is very happy now with everything(if I am worng please let me know Gman).
People are still going to go there and many will get the service they want, so hopefully people can at least read all the posts here to make up their mind....I think that too many will only read portions though.
Yes the car is running fine now. The idle is steady and the car does not run as rich as before.
the first dyno was the last dyno done on a DJ a few months after Sam fixed the car. The second dyno was Sharif's dyno with no correction. I only picked up 15whp going from the heart breaker dyno to a dyno jet. Maybe cause of the difference in weather or elevation between Miami and ATL I didn't pick up that much. I don't know, but I am happy with the car other than I want more power which I plan on getting real soon.
the first dyno was the last dyno done on a DJ a few months after Sam fixed the car. The second dyno was Sharif's dyno with no correction. I only picked up 15whp going from the heart breaker dyno to a dyno jet. Maybe cause of the difference in weather or elevation between Miami and ATL I didn't pick up that much. I don't know, but I am happy with the car other than I want more power which I plan on getting real soon.
Last edited by Gman2004; May 9, 2007 at 10:19 AM.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Mark if you're still reading this and want to make things right I plan on upgrading my turbos to 20G.
You're not making me feel very confident in my build and I'm getting depressed.
So now I can't expect to be satisfied with 500whp+?
Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
Come on Jorge 20G turbos now? Can't you just be happy with 510whp on Sharif's DD?!! You're not making me feel very confident in my build and I'm getting depressed. So now I can't expect to be satisfied with 500whp+?
You're not making me feel very confident in my build and I'm getting depressed. So now I can't expect to be satisfied with 500whp+?
Thanks for posting up Gman. While we have no immediate plans for a built block, having F/I on a stock blocks means it is always in the back of our minds. Thanks for the heads up on who not to consider if it happens.
-Mark
-Mark