doc, you're really scraping bottom of the barrell with your rebuttals... there are more positive feedback threads in the FI section than negative... look around... people DO relive their experiences whether bad or good... and who cares about the people who spend money on their cars and never come on this forum? are you trying to say that every one of them has had a great experience? i think you should learn a bit about statistics and sampling... even if 99% of the people who spend big money to mod their cars never visited this forum, the 1% would still be representative of the overall customer experience... there would be some who had a good one; others who had a bad one...

the problem i see is that it took a reputable member of the forum to step forward and spill the beans on his experience to get the rest of the people in the same boat to tell their stories... that means that all of the people who are saying "me, too!" in this thread were holding their tongues for one reason or another...and this kept other people from making an informed decision... put yourself in their shoes...wouldn't you want to know you were about to spend 20k with an organization that sucked BEFORE you learned the lesson the hard way?

 

that's exactly what i'm saying tho, you just rephrased what i said with your own additions, lol, SGP hasn't touched my car and Caliente is the only shop that has...i've done a lot of work on my car too, countless hours of work! haha sometimes i wish i took it to a shop (while i'm working on it) but then i get to know my car better. if i didn't have to take my car to a shop...no matter how good their reputation is, i honestly wouldn't. i'd rather blame myself than someone else no matter what the circumstances

Abyss - i say those things cuz they make me smile, haha i don't really care what anyone else says about it, it doesn't hurt my feelings any boy! lol i say homie to ken cuz i know him personally

 

i know this is not the place for introductions...but hello anyways..i would like to begin w/a little background on myself...ive been in the automotive bus. since 1988...currently im the sprinter tech for ray brandt dodge...i do performance diagnostics on the side...and happen to be the person who done the mods to 350zLEE's car and also his cousin....i have a real problem with the whole SGP thing...first i want to set things straight...lee went up for a tune with mark...no discussions were made at that time about future upgrades,just the u-tec and the tune...mark knew lee's car was on 440cc inj,w/no fuel return wich mark said would be fine...when lee got home with the car it was running at 9.0:1 a/f at wot...so we interogate the car and determine that mark had the injectors at about 97%....so lee calls sgp for assistance and gets mark who tells him he would need 750cc inj. 4 bar map and cjm fuel return to tune the car...heres my problem...mark knew what he was starting with but now says its no good...well guess what mark...at that point the car was actually making more power with the stock controller then you got out of it with the u-tec...and as for your suggestion that the fuel leaks were an issue well you sold him the fuel system...and by the way he's had to replace every one of those fuel lines at some point....i made 2 up myself and they dont leak...but lets get to the real problem...MONEY...you think lee owe's you..let's put it this way...your in bus. you offer parts and service...part fails you replace it...well what about the service????your service failed (THE TUNE)but you never even offered to retune the car..yet your answer was to put more parts on the car (wich lee did) have lee drive 8hrs back to SGP and pay you again to tune the car...not happening!!!
just curoius mark...i bet you still don't know what went wrong...i think you should because it's apparent its happened before.....advise my boy...you cant use a larger injector size to compensate for your tune...

 

What is a Sprinter Tech?

 

WOW, and the plot thickens...

 

Someone who runs on a dyno!

 

turbo diesel mercedes that daimler chrysler markets through dodge

 

^Those things are awesome. I'm not kidding. I drove one of those every now and then for two months back in 2005. They rock. If I had to have a van as a daily driver, it'd be that one. You can put them through the ringer and it doesn't break a sweat.

K, back to "the drama".

 

all im reading is the first post...jotech had to rewire the same thing on failsafes car from SGP

 

i hear there's a kansas-based car out in cali with the VERY same issue... i thought you had to *know* how to install an HKS FCON to sell them?!?

 

@ GTM? If it's the guy that pm'ed me I told him to take it to Sam.

 

yessir...

 

Yes that's me. Mark @ SGP is just very busy and I had heard good things about Sam @ GT Motorsports and got my street tune through Sam, I"m very satisfied

 

I did have a couple of issue with SGP but Mark has been a standup guy and taken care of everything very professional with me. Every shop makes mistakes, its how they handle them which makes them good or great...or sometimes crappy.

 

Bump. I have nothing new to add I just want to keep this thread alive so the new members or those that haven't already seen it can see what type of chit SGP puts out.

 

i'm not naming names, but another one of their cars made it to Forged Performance this past weekend... my god, what an atrocity! the owner was a really cool guy and it disappointed me to see how SGP took advantage of him... the truly sad part was that he was completely unaware of the mess they had made of his install... he thought a simple tweaking of the tune was in order... not even close...

not only was the fuel pump assembly jacked up, but the tune made me throw up a little bit in my mouth... the hole in the fuel assembly for the swirl pot was 10x too large and causing extreme starvation issues under WOT and seriously, the way this car sounded and ran, made me think of my mom's 1979 Ford Grenada that wouldn't completely stop running when the ignition was turned off... i felt really bad for the guy... luckily sharif had the parts necessary to fix the mess... but, this guy ended up having to spend much more money than he expected...

 

Damn

 

IDk why, but that made me laugh...

 

Wow . . . just wow. I normally don't like or approve of badmouthing shops but when a shop is so blatently not only ripping people off but putting out bad work like this, they need to be exposed so others don't make the same mistake of going to them. I am in the early stages of going FI and am researching which shop(s) to use. Threads like are just as helpful as threads praising good shops. People need to know which shops to stay away from.

 

I had the same issues, it cost me lots of money to fix what SGP had done wrong. I won't ever go back to SGP