How big of WG should I go with.
06-11-2007, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
That makes no sense to me. How heavy is your flywheel, really? With most on the market, your revs barely will increase. The tilton 9lb flywheel is really the only exception I've seen.
The fidanza is 13.5 lbs
06-11-2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by diwun67
I know The fidanza is 13.5 lbs
The fidanza is 13.5 lbsI have no idea why it would be making more boost in lower gears.
06-12-2007, 06:51 PM
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wastegate size has little to do with HP and much more to do with boost pressure and turbo size.
Low boost on a large turbo requires a large gate, because the pressure differential in the turbine housing needs to be higher then the exit for the gate. Otherwise gas will choose to flow through the housing for periods of time, even when the gate is open. This causes boost creep!
Opp applies for large gates on small setups. Bigger isnt always better.
Low boost on a large turbo requires a large gate, because the pressure differential in the turbine housing needs to be higher then the exit for the gate. Otherwise gas will choose to flow through the housing for periods of time, even when the gate is open. This causes boost creep!
Opp applies for large gates on small setups. Bigger isnt always better.
06-12-2007, 08:19 PM
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as an example about what WG to run, I hope yah'all can look at this link
http://wotm.com/rywo98qu.html
what power is it making?
what WG and size is it running?
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http://wotm.com/rywo98qu.html
what power is it making?
what WG and size is it running?
"."
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06-12-2007, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
as an example about what WG to run, I hope yah'all can look at this link
http://wotm.com/rywo98qu.html
what power is it making?
what WG and size is it running?
"."
http://wotm.com/rywo98qu.html
what power is it making?
what WG and size is it running?
"."
06-12-2007, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
PM Tim from Speed Force and ask him what wastegate he was running on their 1300 WHP Supra. Better yet I'll just tell you: Turbonetics Newgen. So whats your point? The Tial 44 is working for that car. Craig is going with a 45mm Racegate or a Newgen obviously either will work.
no need to get defensive Robert because i didnt mention the newgen....my entire point was the size of the BOV using...i know the newer Tn WG will be way better than the "evolution" one and the Turbosmart is also a good design...so besides being a quality BOV( whic is not jsut a tial ovbiously) my whole point was to show that at that high whp #s a quality 44mm wg is suficient which is what the whole topic is about..what size
jsut as it shows the aem ems is good to handle the fuel at those power levels too but thats a different topic
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06-12-2007, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
no need to get defensive Robert....my entire point was the size of the BOV using...i know the newer Tn WG will be way better than the "evolution" one and the Turbosmart is also a good design...so besides being a quality BOV( whic is not jsut a tial ovbiously) my whole point was to show that at that high whp #s a quality 44mm wg is suficient which is what the whole topic if about..what size
over this. I'm sure a Turbosmart, HKS, Greddy, Apexi Turbonetics, or Tial will all do the job if it is rated for the type of flow it will be regulating. We can go on and on and on on wastegate manufacturers. If someone truely wants to hear from the manufacturer what the gate is rated for they can contact them or check the web page.
06-12-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
No one is being definsive. My point is that any wastegate rated to control that kind of exhaust flow or "horsepower" level as the gate manufacturers typically rate them is going to be fine. It seems we are
over this. I'm sure a Turbosmart, HKS, Greddy, Apexi Turbonetics, or Tial will all do the job if it is rated for the type of flow it will be regulating.hahahahahaha
i've been waiting to see that icon being used.... =]
i agree man, i was agreeing with webster too(same thing) and that's why i said as n example to show that overkilling in size wasn't necessary =]
i think the OP got his answer a while back already
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06-12-2007, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
hahahahahaha
i've been waiting to see that icon being used.... =]
i agree man, i was agreeing with webster too(same thing) and that's why i said as n example to show that overkilling in size wasn't necessary =]
i think the OP got his answer a while back already
-peace
i've been waiting to see that icon being used.... =]
i agree man, i was agreeing with webster too(same thing) and that's why i said as n example to show that overkilling in size wasn't necessary =]
i think the OP got his answer a while back already
-peace
06-12-2007, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Actually if you were agreeing with Wegster then you'd be agreeing with what I said earlier in the thread. That at lower boost levels a larger diameter wastegate is your best bet. The OP is running on a stock motor (lower boost levels). This means a 44mm or larger would work great. I wouldn't run a smaller wastegate at higher boost levels either. For me, larger is always better.
For example, the above supra setup uses a masssssssssssssssive turbo with massive A/R and massive boost.
Since massive boost is required, a medium sized gate is needed to control boost accratly. Try getting that turbo to produce 5-15psi with that small gate, and u will just creep creep creep.
you should size a gate based on turbo size and required PSI. Flow (HP) potential should be entirely thought of in regards to turbine size and downpipe! Wastegate is a mere pressure differential device. HP is irrelevant.
06-13-2007, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Weqster
Its actually not the point i was trying to make.
For example, the above supra setup uses a masssssssssssssssive turbo with massive A/R and massive boost.
Since massive boost is required, a medium sized gate is needed to control boost accratly. Try getting that turbo to produce 5-15psi with that small gate, and u will just creep creep creep.
you should size a gate based on turbo size and required PSI. Flow (HP) potential should be entirely thought of in regards to turbine size and downpipe! Wastegate is a mere pressure differential device. HP is irrelevant.
For example, the above supra setup uses a masssssssssssssssive turbo with massive A/R and massive boost.
Since massive boost is required, a medium sized gate is needed to control boost accratly. Try getting that turbo to produce 5-15psi with that small gate, and u will just creep creep creep.
you should size a gate based on turbo size and required PSI. Flow (HP) potential should be entirely thought of in regards to turbine size and downpipe! Wastegate is a mere pressure differential device. HP is irrelevant.
I think in this dicsussion, just like in many others, people are being a bit nitpicky when it comes to making a choice.
06-13-2007, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
Thats right!!
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06-13-2007, 06:35 AM
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06-13-2007, 06:36 AM
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Just for reference heres some shots of a twin 60-1 setup on a 402 LS2 motor. Its running one 36mm Turbonetics Evolution per bank and it does so just fine.
http://danzioperformance.com/ls2_TT.asp
For general info its running twin 60-1 compressors and Stage 3 T3 turbines at 15-22 PSI...
http://danzioperformance.com/ls2_TT.asp
For general info its running twin 60-1 compressors and Stage 3 T3 turbines at 15-22 PSI...
06-13-2007, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I think in this dicsussion, just like in many others, people are being a bit nitpicky when it comes to making a choice.
correct...just as me and mia were discussing.. a a ~44mm WG that is top quality should be able to handle all we will throw at