+1000 its doesnt mean it can't be done with either... u just showed a point that they all can be good setups anyways =]...

 

what you need to realize is based on the current production kits twins out perform day by day for the 350z .. now your kit isn't even made yet.. all the kits they talk about that will rival twins hp for hp .. psi for psi havn't been out yet..

so based on what we know.. Twins are better.. will that change? maybe? but its a dream for now.. so what can we say? Twins are better...

and yes Twins will always be better.. there is no question.. just because you choose a newer turbo thats more efficient and puts out better power than the current twin kits doesn't mean a Single Setup is better.. because you know what? two of your turbo's you put on your ST kit will out perform your Single Kit anyday.. its not rocket science people.. 2 turbo's are better than 1?

 

it doesn't.. but twins on a V setup will be more efficient and much smoother...

 

here is the simplicity of it.. you may have a GT40 kit that out performs a Greddy TT Kit.. but guess what.. a Twin GT40 kit is going to out perform your Single GT40 Kit.. you see?

 

they can both be made efficient... in the end depends on the power goals, budget etc etc... =]
i don't disagree with you when you say that twins are better than singles on build engines at this point...
which is why for threads about if going with a tt or st setup, i asked the op about what his goals and budget were... since he plans on going FI an d build his engines and no ST kits currently out will do the job for him by all means he should go TT if he has the money to do it now. If he really is like most 80% of the Fi peeps who wont build their engine then he shoud consider ST.

For this thread in particular its the same thing...the sts setup is meant for the stock block, makes its cheaper and perform just as good as a tt on the stock block at the moment

 

and so on.....thats not the argument.... at some point you ran out of space to put twins and at some point you run out of space to put a single =]...so in the end it balances out as far as max hp, probably..its all about making the right Kit and all... like injected putting their gt47 setup for example...id be eager to see what that car puts out powerwise =]

i really like twins..i just always argue with people cause they don't see past their nose with single kits in general because there is just no st kit out there at the moment for high whp applications on the Z=]

 

This is where I disagree. The kit itself is NOT cheaper. What if you could DIY? What if you're great friends with a very good mechanic and you can roll in after-hours and install a TT for a case of Bud? In the end, this kit shouldn't be competing with a Greddy TT. Start AND *almost* END of my arguement.

In the world of FI, $1000 is nothing. Have any of you ever thought that hey, dropping an extra $1000 because of install will get me a much more proven kit?!?! How long has the Greddy been around for the 350Z? How long has the STS been around for the 350Z?

This is my opinion on the price. If I had my car back in time I was going to try for one of the prototype spots available for the STS back when it was still yet uninstalled on a VQ. For THAT PRICE I would still do it. As it stands with current pricing, they've lost my interest with their greed. If the pricing remained plausible, they'd have themselves a possible $5500 sale from me.

I'll just wait this one out till they come down to meet demand after realizing their supply will be stuck

 

thats up to debate...
and 100 is money, its money taht coudl go into plenum mod, its money it could go into a return fuel system, its money it could go into other stuff for the car so it is worth it... its not 100 bucks its 1000

on the stock block at the power it caa handle its cheaper and more complete than a greddy where u need to spend more on the install and on the extra parts(ems etc), this kit comes more complete out the box already, so price is fair.
but again if they are TRULY planing to build the engine at this point they should not get this kit when they can save the money and use it on other mods =]

 

ummm that is retarded...thats like oh a supra with a gt48 is amazing, but a twin gt48 supra OMFG. Its unrealistic to assume automatically that if an engine can spool one turbo, it could still spool 2 of the same at once and just be faster, yeah the Z might make good power with a gt42 and have a moderate amount of lag, but a twin gt42 setup would be completely unusable with a terrible powerband and loads of lag

 

welll its depends how much power its making even if its not hitting full boost... plus the lag might help put it to the ground better

i guess it all depends... ...but anyways... all this convo is kinda useless for the thread...i think the OP already got his answer... at this poitn TTs are only real option for high whp...is it in his budget for jsut a stock block build?, who knows...so he should consider the ST if he doesnt think he will build his engine....

 

see my main problem with the hype about this is that , i thought this was going to be a break through prodcut that stood aside from the current pricing aspects of current kits being the clear winner for price vrs what you get. But its not its a alternative to already bargin TT setups. Which yea everyone can talk about ST on other cars being so successfull. But in reality until someone breaks the rwhp mold currently TTs own the Z market as far as power and majority is concerned. I love Sts but there def not the most powerfull setups on the VQ compared to the TT. Potential is deteremined by the size of the snails which obviously greddy and etc advantage, but then again you would expect that, this to me isnt the debate. I just expected a killer solution and price point that would take away thunder from competitive kits. But i dunno if a rear STS kit would sway me from a Greddy Kit given the similar prices. SInce you can tune a greddy kit to make 400rwhp and run on a stock block all day with a good tune. So its like....i just expected something different ya know. But hands down this system is cool great concept great exicution and good rep, just the price to me doesnt get me going feel me.

 

nice post

i think the pricing might be fair considering all the kit comes with but i agree that its no breakthrough though....

it does sound nice =]

hahah btw... i am literally LOL at your "Location" haha

 

Sorry I must be confused. I thought this was a thread on the STS kit, not STS verses the world. I'll let you little kiddies keep arguing.

I think it's funny that most of you assume that we're all about the single turbo kit when in fact, as I stated before...I HAVE GREDDY TWINS ON MY PERSONAL CAR! I also had a turbonetics SINGLE on my car.

Some of you need to get off your high horses and get over yourselves. We get it, you don't like the STS kit pricing, so be it. There are plenty of other people who own 350z's besides the 3 or 4 people corrupting this thread with worthless responses.

The price stated is NOT THE FINAL NUMBER.

Start B!TCHING when we have the final price Monday. Have a nice weekend

 

Ha!
Dont get IIquicksilverII and Doug started, they'll go on all day long, although they have some good points.

 

Haha Jorge and his single

 

STS vs. other kits is a big part of the STS kit itself. We already know you guys do twins without a question, but you're the first shop to fill us in on possible pricing, and you have 2 examples of the kit installed. The only biased people here are the two arguing over single vs twin turbos as a generalization.

I'm simply comparing kit to kit for the price.

We feel that, since this is an open and very public forum, we can use it as intended to discuss the topic. The topic is the STS kit, and since the most recent news on it is ballpark pricing, we're allowed to give our opinions on that, no? Also, wouldn't our voiced displeasure for their idea on fair pricing perhaps sway them?

Are my responses to the estimated price worthless opinions? I even let you guys know I was very interested in the kit before (before one was even ever installed outside of their first proto in Utah) and now I'm probably going with some other kit (whether you install or not, who knows, but I know if I went the STS route I would've taken a trip to NC).

In the end, having those numbers broadcast may have scared many people away, final price or not. Honestly, I can't see the final number to be far from their estimate!

If you don't want us talking about the pricing, don't put that info out

 

Fair enough The plans for your car were significantly different than the sts kit of the g35 or the z though.

 

sorry for corrupting the thread. Cant blame a brotha for high hopes. LOL

 

It's all good, obviously we wish the price was a little more competitive as well, after all, we are the ones trying to sell it. Don't kill the messenger haha.

 

Kill The Messenger!!!