love it....

 

when can i bring my car in for my turbo?

 

Fuking awesome doug.

 

It sounds like a call to SD county code enforcement is in order. They will fine him if he doesn't stop immediately.

 

As soon as someone decides to upgrade and they have another used kit lying around?

 

damn!1!

 

LOL nice creative way of spelling subtle

the sparta smiley in your sig is fantastic.

has ANYONE heard from dan about his zr?

 

I have. But you didn't hear it from me mmmkay. (not bsing)

 

sorry.. i spelled it in spanish to make it more subtle.... i guess you didnt get it... but yah... i have not heard from Dan yet .....
i am waiting for someone to post whats more details re the owners of those Zs in the pictures and what are they going to do!

 

Wow, all these companies are really bitter at each other.

 

yo fellas.....yea my car IS at VRT rite now....it was shipped down there 2 his "real" shop last saturday.....but when i originally started doing business w/ mike and vrt his business was all done out of his house......and i was ok w/ this bc of the work that he had produced....and he represented a very professional type of job....so i was ok w/ this.......now that i c his work has returned back 2 his house.....i personally dont have any issues w/ this....i know my car is being takin care of.....and my turbo will b replaced very soon....and i will b rollin once again!!!!!!!!and naeiri i got your text...ive jus been super busy these last couple of days....but thx 4 the concern....as well as Ed!!!!!!!!P.S..ED......i think your bowflex body is waiting!!!!!!!LOL

 

Glad to hear you are doing well! Hope your car is done soon!

 

Apparently Any Mother who thinks it takes over 2 months to get some relatively simple bends for their parts should shop more local, lol, especially when they are competing products GO OREGON PRIDE!!

 

sorry, abit off topic, but funny non-the less. part of the reason i stopped my sponsorship was for the fact of the back stabbing and ruthlessness of some of the shops and parts suppliers out there. i play with cars because i have to!! it is just the way my mind works and luckily have brought it back to an enjoyable hobby for myself, and not a means of income.
both sides of tims and mike a's situation is brought on by monetary situations. i definately see tims point and do not blame him for this thread as i blast other people in my trade too who are not legit and could take biz from me. i met mike a. awhile back and sad to see how he has treated peoples trust.

 

It has been my practice to avoid like the plague a participation in any threads that become heated and personal. The temptation to think that any of us have an answer or explanation that totally resolves a swirling mass/mess of misinformation and fair/unfair criticism is there for all of us...but it seems anyone who comes to the fray with a vision of rules and fairness is immediately overwhelmed in a tidal wave of personal attacks and low blows. So who needs that?

But I do have a point that I would like to make, encouraged by OverZealous1's very objective (and under the circumstances courageous) post. Anybody who has seen his car and talked with him knows that he both knows his stuff and is the benchmark of a true enthusiast.

The business of being a high performance car builder tuner is basically impossible, and unbelieveably stressful. If you build a good car, it is in the interest of everyone else to diss you. If you build a bad car, it is in the interest of everyone else to diss you. If you stay on top of all of minor details like a microscope and push the employees like you need to so that the customer gets the quality and service they deserve, the employees diss you. The customers have no way to know how hard you kill yourself and if the slightest thing gets delayed or something happens that is absolutely not your fault, but goes wrong (parts have been known to do that, especially at the leading edge of high stress/high performance) the customer will diss you. You deal with aftermarket suppliers who nickel and dime you and cheat you. You have regulators down your neck constantly. And you have leakage problems with supplies and parts and other stuff. You cannot be running the business and watching every single little thing to be sure it is done the way you want it done. No matter how hard you try to do it for the best price possible, it always seems like it costs too much to the customer and too little for the builder to make a living. One bad comment can lead to a tsunami of piling on, whether it is right or wrong...and the damage is done. And.....who can deny that no matter how objective we may try to be...the "where there is smoke there must be fire" impression is very hard to put aside from your mind. And at the end of the day, it does not matter if you did something wrong or somebody else did......YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE. One clod you trusted can severely damage your reputation and business. It is his fault, but YOU PAY THE PRICE. And if you are going through all of this and some other guy in the trade is a bad egg, you get tarnished (lawyer jokes anyone???!!) No wonder everybody gets cranky. So far, it is pretty hard to see any good sides to being in the business of building / tuning cars, and some of the most gifted and decent guys out there stick through and take the pounding...and others just decide they do not need it and go back to their hobbyist approach to regain the satisfaction.

I would not bring up their names, but the thread already has so one other point. I have no doubt that Jim Wolf and Clark Steppler could run one of the most awesome and reputable shops in the country if they wanted to. And charge almost any price premium they wanted to and would get it, with a line around the block of supplicants wanting their cars worked on by them. If you spend any time with them at all you quickly realize that the word "genius" as applied to car knowledge is not an overstatement when applied to them. They obviously don't want to do it. Not hard to see why. They can work on tech challenges and come up with solutions in products to sell to the community, but stay one level of insulation away from the enthusiasts they try to serve.....because we are as a body or group a bunch of nutcases to deal with! Many are very decent people, but there is a real nasty contingent out here in the real world......and no way to know which is which.

Mike can and must take care of his business his way. It is not my business to defend him, and I have no interest in getting flogged for standing between him and somebody who wants to smack him. Nor any interest in picking up a cudgel and joining in the assault.

But I can see that there is something else going on here. And in time we are going to find out exactly what it is and why it is going on. It may be along the lines of the speculation and suspicion that is being tossed around in all directions. But it may very well be quite different. It is futile to propose we take this to a higher level of discourse, so I shall now withdraw from this and all other threads again. But for our community of enthusiasts and friends, we would be better off maintaining a friendly and open discourse to encourage a sharing of knowledge, because this type of stuff chases a lot of good people away. Respect to everyone and their views above; but we all, myself included, can do better.

 

 

its a whored out market thats why....

i stopped dealing with car performance parts a LOOOONG time ago

 

 

My view exactly. The people that actually want to do things right are few and far between.

 

talk about some people who would sell products to make a lousy 5$ on certain items!!!