IIQuickSilverII

iTrader: (13)

as far as i know they widtheld it from the public but not from todd or don... but i don't care i was just saying cause i knew from the first place about some of Dons problems with the car that weren't posted in the first thread that he choose to deal with Todd via PMs privatly... i was just saying that will be the case...

The only thing laughable here is your inability to imagine the things that have been said by all parties and all the issues that are were not present on the board because its better to keep it via pms, up to them if they choose to post everything right away...
People act like they know it all just in other dramas here when there is more going on behind the scenes that a lot of times just stay in private chat, but some still post liek they really know it all(generally speaking not attacking anybody directly here).

I was pointing to the fact that while sams attitude pricing ethics suck it doesn't scape the fact that before he touched the engine it wasnt overreved at dynocomp and it had troubles already... what is the cause... thats whats being debated and well....i just hope for the best for Don in this whole ordeal.

failsafe306

iTrader: (38)

Sam, what would you say caused the piston rings to lose their spring, in your opinion? Also, what would cause all of the pistons to be smaller in diameter than other, new pistons of the same kind? (this is an honest question, not a loaded one)

MMC Racing

iTrader: (5)

I've already said that Don erred on not getting authorization for a tear down from Todd, so in your opinion, do I still have hope?

THE ROADSTER

iTrader: (3)

Sam already said he will not respond anymore to this thread beacause he is a very busy man.

Conceyted

iTrader: (7)

Yea, I guess you do then.

failsafe306

iTrader: (38)

I'll try to PM then.

PalFX

I dealt with VRT and GTM and all I can say is comparing GTM to VRT is like comparing the light from the sun to that of a candle.

Also, magic tricks might appear to most as real but they are still tricks and Sam isn't the one appearing as the magician to me here.

Starchecker

I didn't read all of Sam's response, but I don't find him culpable for "witholding evidence". Honest or not, let's assume honesty, he felt he had found the problem and posted the most pertinent evidence. He couldn't imagine ahead of time what Todd's response would be. Once he heard that, then he could counter by releasing more evidence to support his initial claim.

That is why in a court of law you can cross examine and re cross examine. There is no way you can anticipate everything the other side is going to come up with.

That being said I am not saying Sam is telling the truth all along or not. I don't know at this point.

I have torn down and rebuilt 2 aircraft engines in college and got straight A's, however I wouldn't fly anything I worked on! That being said I have some knowledge but nothing like many in the FI community have regarding engine builds. Sam brings up some good points about the lack of other evidence for a detonation or overheating issue, and the valve leak issue as well.

However, to me it doesn't explain the jacked up rings, that to me would explain the inability to increase power with boost. Also the piston heads seemed very discolored which I thought was evidence of blow-by(poor ring seating).

I may just be displaying the reasons why I wouldn't trust the work I do on anything mechanical, but to me the real culprit for the poor engine performance is the shot rings, not the possibility of an intake leak on 1 cylinder or one piston touching the head slightly.

I guess all along it didn't matter to me if the engine build was bad or an overheat took place. The real issue was would Todd take care of it. Well thanks to GTM refusing to respect Todd's wishes to inspect his own engine and "strongly encourage" Don to let GTM tear down the engine, all hope for a good resolution was lost. That's my issue. Again he did all this BEFORE he tore down the engine, so he sowed the seeds of distrust without any evidence that Todd had screwed up the engine.

Conceyted

iTrader: (7)

please post his answer. i want to know it, too.

G35JCC

If you get a response will you enlighten us? Also, being the dirty old letch that I am could you PM me your avatar in normal size? Remarkably it resembles my wife.

Kenk2

iTrader: (7)

Plain and simple..

It doesnt take a frickin rocket scientist to figure it out guys.. IF you have received a motor from BZM and it's NOT fuked up, consider yourself LUCKY! The tolerances used are not acceptable, period. They screwed up and they dont want to admit it period.

Good luck Todd. I will never buy from you or send someone your way..

Nismo350ZRT

iTrader: (4)

Unlike you, I'm basing my opinion on known facts in this discussion. You on the other hand are basing yours on assumptions. GTM pm'd all the evidence to Todd previously? WTF are you talking about? Complete fabrication on your part or just plain ignorance? Do you understand the difference between fact and supposition? Obviously you do not.

failsafe306

iTrader: (38)

Sure will.

Oh and you're the 4th person to request a full size pic, I must have done something right when I picked my avatar

THE ROADSTER

iTrader: (3)

+10000

Yes Sam is a magician....he turned my 280 horses in to 512 horses.

350zDCalb

iTrader: (21)

hmm, interesting. Our tolerances are completely acceptable, we don't run factory clearances on an engine intended to possibly triple the output, is that rocket science? I have already addressed how/why we clearance bearings a bit looser, and that fact is completely irrelevant to the accusation of improper machining in the valve job.

But thanks for the comments

Nismo350ZRT

iTrader: (4)

Why don't you back up your statement with some facts? Oh that's right, you don't have any.

ZU L8R

iTrader: (84)

OK, I'm closing this thread now both sides have been presented. I think everyone here is forgetting that someone is out $14k which is the whole reason for these threads. It has turned into BZM vs. GTM. Niether side will EVER admit to any wrong doing and are now just gonna take shots @ each other forgetting about the customer. Don has plenty of info to make the decesion he feels comfortable with. Good Luck with it.

ZU L8R

iTrader: (84)

Don sent me this PM which is what he also sent to BZM and GTM with his decesion on how he is going to proceed. I thought you guys would want to know.


Good afternoon:

I’ve included both parties in this PM to assure we’re on the same page with my intentions on this motor.

Firstly, I want to extend my appreciation onto Sam and GTM in their willingness to complete the project. By no means do I feel I have been mislead through this process, and I believe the inspection fees are fair and they will be compensated.

For Todd, I sincerely appreciate you taking time away from patient care to inspect the motor and to provide a means of reconciliation to get the car back on the road.

To be honest, I feel I received an inherently faulty product and would prefer a refund. I have been counseled that this is something pursuable, but at a significant cost to time, money and professional relationships that I am not willing to entertain.

That said, I consider the warratny offer extended on behalf of Todd to be a fair alternative at this moment, as my options are left to direct GTM to build and install a GTM motor, or for BZM to perform a rebuild on their product and have GTM perform the install.

Secondary to cost and time, I have chosen to accept Todd’s offer to repair the motor as stated, and will use that motor for completion of the project. I recognize that Todd will not extend warranty upon installation by GTM because of the relationship dynamics between each of you, so I am asking that a build sheet accompany the rebuilt motor for edification of tolerances, clearances, etc.

I realize that there will be additional costs incurred at GTM for parts/installation related to the HKS gasket, attachment of the heads to the block, and timing… that is fine.

I’m instilling faith that neither party will sabotage each other’s efforts to promote eminent failure of the motor.

I will follow up with Todd to arrange for shipment back to GTM and additional considerations regarding preparation of the shortblock, a timeframe for completion, and addt'l costs incurred for block preparation and modifications.

If either of you have any questions or concerns of me, please let me know via PM, or contact me at home.

-DLH