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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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Thanks for all the positive feedback fella"Z"
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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'Berto - once I get the kit, I'll be doing the install with Dave and co. followed up by a tuning session on the DD. Although I'm pretty much set on using a Haltech for tuning, the ProEFI has my interest enough that if I get one with the kit I'd be game to see a few pulls with it at a minimum. We'll see.

Next year is going to be NICE

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Yeah I know about your plans. Get it all set-up, tuned and used to the power so we can test it against a Greddy kit Im curious how you'd do against me from a roll with a much different powerband than me, at power levels comparable to each other...
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Yeah I know about your plans. Get it all set-up, tuned and used to the power so we can test it against a Greddy kit Im curious how you'd do against me from a roll with a much different powerband than me, at power levels comparable to each other...
Let's just hope TENGAI is a super quick berto style shifter
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Time will tell! Like Tengai said this upcoming summer will be sick, we have a vast variety of FI kits in the Mid-A, cant wait to see this bada$$ kit in person!!
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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Let's just hope TENGAI is a super quick berto style shifter

tengai is mastering the the "kungfu" shift style... but he is no "parts-murderer" yet

will hav eto wait and see
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:06 AM
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Lift shift FTW

I don't profess to be a skilled as 'Berto, but we've never had a chance to line up either... We'll see what the next season brings
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 04:38 AM
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You keep saying that but I'll believe it when I see the after CT tuning results. I remember reading SaM@GTM saying he had messed with CT on a FI set-up with no real gains to be had given the time to tune. Of course that is only one "opinion" but until we (Z community) see otherwise what else do we have to go by...look forward to updated results, I do think gains can be had but not enough to fill the gap due to lag.
The factories spend millions of dollars designing variable cam setups, if it wasn't worth while, I doubt they would waste their time. I'm guessing what he meant was that by moving it around, that he couldn't better the factory gains. Forced induction has nothing to do with it. If you are moving more air at a given rpm because of the variable cam, then you will move even more air at that point with boost. Look at the dyno he posted of the Utec run.... that graph is up like 150hp in the midrange, and you can see where the higher boost starts to take over. You can easily draw the conclusion that with the v-cam on....it's going to make a crap load of midrange power as well. Then look at the graph with stock compression and stock cams. There is no lag on this kit! Dropping over 2 points in compression, and putting big cams in is definately going to hurt the spool up in the bottom end. I would run this kit on stock compression and stock or maybe a bit milder cam, with good pistons and rods. That would be a NICE street setup!

Nice numbers guys! Especially for those turbochargers.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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The factories spend millions of dollars designing variable cam setups, if it wasn't worth while, I doubt they would waste their time. I'm guessing what he meant was that by moving it around, that he couldn't better the factory gains. Forced induction has nothing to do with it. If you are moving more air at a given rpm because of the variable cam, then you will move even more air at that point with boost. Look at the dyno he posted of the Utec run.... that graph is up like 150hp in the midrange, and you can see where the higher boost starts to take over. You can easily draw the conclusion that with the v-cam on....it's going to make a crap load of midrange power as well. Then look at the graph with stock compression and stock cams. There is no lag on this kit! Dropping over 2 points in compression, and putting big cams in is definately going to hurt the spool up in the bottom end. I would run this kit on stock compression and stock or maybe a bit milder cam, with good pistons and rods. That would be a NICE street setup!

Nice numbers guys! Especially for those turbochargers.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
The factories spend millions of dollars designing variable cam setups, if it wasn't worth while, I doubt they would waste their time. I'm guessing what he meant was that by moving it around, that he couldn't better the factory gains. Forced induction has nothing to do with it. If you are moving more air at a given rpm because of the variable cam, then you will move even more air at that point with boost. Look at the dyno he posted of the Utec run.... that graph is up like 150hp in the midrange, and you can see where the higher boost starts to take over. You can easily draw the conclusion that with the v-cam on....it's going to make a crap load of midrange power as well. Then look at the graph with stock compression and stock cams. There is no lag on this kit! Dropping over 2 points in compression, and putting big cams in is definately going to hurt the spool up in the bottom end. I would run this kit on stock compression and stock or maybe a bit milder cam, with good pistons and rods. That would be a NICE street setup!

Nice numbers guys! Especially for those turbochargers.
Agreed, nicely put.

Also, take a look at the B series Hondas. Notice the difference in power and torque throughout the powerband with and without vtech enabled.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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So where are the charts with differences at higher boost levels?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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Hey IntenseFab, did you guys get a chance to run the G with Variable cam on? I heard you guys ran a stock Z with a tnetics kit with the ProEFI as well. what were the gains there?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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Hey IntenseFab, did you guys get a chance to run the G with Variable cam on? I heard you guys ran a stock Z with a tnetics kit with the ProEFI as well. what were the gains there?

that was my car...with my stock engine before the build one went on... ill let Intense Fab elaborate more
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Hey IIQuickSilverII, if you guys ever take the car out or to the track let me know, I would love to go check it out in person!!!! I think I have one of Intense's old project cars. 03 Black Veilside Ver.3.
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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I remember.. Ill let you know
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Ok now I'm gettin so confused. I can't see the graphs clear on my phone but it looks like there is a lot of lag. I would love to have nasty power like this with a ST but if I lined up against a TT and I'd get burnt then that would be a waste of money 2 me. Guess twins are better......
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Ok now I'm gettin so confused. I can't see the graphs clear on my phone but it looks like there is a lot of lag. I would love to have nasty power like this with a ST but if I lined up against a TT and I'd get burnt then that would be a waste of money 2 me. Guess twins are better......
You have an increase of 250+ft/lbs of TQ between 4000 and 5000 RPM.... Twins will get you off the line, but you would smoke him in the top end. Just my opinion.

(I keep reminding myself that all monster drag cars run big singles)
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You have an increase of 250+ft/lbs of TQ between 4000 and 5000 RPM.... Twins will get you off the line, but you would smoke him in the top end. Just my opinion.

(I keep reminding myself that all monster drag cars run big singles)
Hmm well that's what I wanted to hear. I'm not into drag racing. I just didn't want to half to kick it til like 7500 rpm take the chance of breaking **** just to hit full boost
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Hmm well that's what I wanted to hear. I'm not into drag racing. I just didn't want to half to kick it til like 7500 rpm take the chance of breaking **** just to hit full boost
You just have to think about your driving habits, and were your cars RPM's are most of the time. If your on the highway in 5th or 6th gear; you're rpm's should be right around 3000-3200 rpm.... so if you it the gas you should have instant response. The advantage, in my own opinion, is with twins you have better response in the bottom end and from a stand still.
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almost all the baller supras run big single turbos and the VQ with a big single outperforms the 2jz ......more displacement....better heads....
to each their own ... it all depends on the applicaion one looks...
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