This is everyones answer when a vender that people on here like gets questioned.Thats why I spent 11 months dealing with this before it came to this point.As for Sam saying I lyed abuot the motor being in the car for this show he is half right.The car had been all decaled up and had a number of GTM ones placed in promanent spots on the car sign boards made ect.Sam had promiced the motor in Sept.(he said it would be tight but would be done).When the motor was a no go it was to late to change the whole decal lay out,so it went to the show with them on.The judges and anyone that asked where told it was not ready in time and was not in the car.This fact more than likely cost me Mag features (car had two before motor soap oprea was used in the vortech cat. ect.).Sam is the one who backed out of the deal as he could not deliver the motor and when I pulled the pug it still took two plus more months before it fired.Sam sold it to the next guy in line did not cost him a penny as I paid him to build it.Today he gave me the $1800 but still owes me a motor core and a trans and a set of Darton sleaves.If the tread is closed then Sam wins.And will do this to someone else if he has not already

 

dude.. you have to start making paragraphs..

 

noted sorry

 

I'll second that
the first post really needed some breaks

 

oh and I'd never expect someone to refund that money even if they had missed the date...i think you're really lucky

 

He missed the date it was to be done by almost 6 months, thats a little much to ask don"t you think.

 

But you asked for a kit that was getting no support from the manufacturer(BC), and a kit that was still in development(GTM). Anybody that knows anything about R&D in this industry know it takes time to come out with a good product.

T

 

Resolved?
OP, is stil waiting on full reimbursement.
OP waited 11 months, then posted and finally got a call back from GTM.
^note that the thread must have played a large roll in this.

I am not choosing sides here. However I would like to see how GTM handles this. I hope this thread stays open.

Edit* (was bolded) I did not see the first post on this page

 

That would be correct only thing is Sam said his kit was done and in there shop car and was in the final stages of tuning.If Sam would have said he was designing a stroker kit I would have pulled the plug when the BC kit didn't work

 

but it wasn't finished yet. So you took that chance knowing that the kit wasn't complete yet, right?

For example look at Cosworth and there plenum. They have been in the final stages of that thing for the last what 4-5 months. You took the chance on a product that wasn't complete yet and Sam still refunded you on a custom built motor. Most if not all shops wont do that.

T

 

Motor he said was done running and tested. He was doing the final tune is all.If he said it was months away then I would have pulled the plug then and delt with it.He said it would be done and I sent him more money as he asked.I never had a custom motor being built.He said it worked and was in his car.

 

Issue resolved, thread closed. OP, if it's not resolved please PM me.

 

Reopened @ OP's request. He PM'd me saying that all the $$$ had been refunded to him but is still waiting to hear about the parts he sent to GTM to be installed (sleeves, motor, tranny) that were not.

 

i dont understand why the bc didn't work?

 

Not to get off topic, but to answer your question... that was a pre-release BC stroker kit. The development has been finished for some time now and we have tested multiple BC strokers without a single problem (over 1000whp dd).

 

I completely agree with you...that is entirely too much time...my point is 95% shops would not have refunded your money...and it sounds like this isn't your first rodeo, so you know that's true.

My gut tells my Sam did tell you he'd have it ready...and he was being honest but this just happened to be one of those $hitty situations where the schedule was completely blown.

I'm in the R&D business myself, we always say...it takes 10% of the time to finish 80% of the work...then the last 20% of the job take 90% of the time...( the devil is in the details ) this isn't numbers i'm just pulling out of my head...empirical data says when you're developing new technologies that's what happens...

I would easily expect to think that Sam was right on schedule and the final details compounded to your situation. I also think it's perfectly reasonable for him to say...ok, i wanna help my customer out...so i'll sell off the work i did and refund him the money as i collect since i am going out of my way for him...remember he does loose opportunity when he sells someone your part and not his when he'd make a profit off of...

i was trully impressed with how Sam handled this and wish i was in the vicinity to have him work on my car...shops like that are hard to come by...i really hope you work it out together cause you also sound like a very reasonable customer and it's rare to find good customers and good shops working together...I admire your patience for so long...hopefully you'll chalk this up to $hit happens...this could easily have been another shops mistake and GTM ( now with a developed product ) would easily be able to fix and get done on time. This shop you have now, could they have done this work back then? were they on the forefront of development? just a thought.

 

Wow...

I find those prices ridiculously, unless the parts were made out of gold. Nothing against any vendor/shop here, but the prices in general for anything in the G35/350z community is just so inflated. Worst of all, we get little in return since our VQ's aren't so great at modifications unless you go into the engine + FI, which cost an arm and a leg.

As far as GTM, I have alot of respect for those guys. Their work is truly professional. It comes with a huge price tag though

.

 

Yes... I know, I got a lot of high end parts and suspention.

If I had to do it all over again.....no way, but then again I get a big smile on my face everytime I push hard on the gas.

 

i couldnt find anything wrong with the bc kit either and was wondering what problem they had?

 

From what I understand, the BC strokers still require signficant block modifications and additional machining to fit. MRC had the same issue, as did a builder in FL, who's car he brought us just for tuning just a few weeks ago. If it requires significant mods, thats cool, but I think it should be disclosed to the purchaser.