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This is my story to fill you guys in.... And trust me is has taken us a long time to come to this point to having to post this up on the forums. The story starts around August 2006, Sam was hired to build me a 4.2 litre Brian Crower stroker motor, at this time I sent Sam a core engine and transmission (5 AT) to use in the build. The pictures that were posted back in August/September 2006 of the stoker not working was my engine. When the motor did not work Sam informed me that he had a stroker that was tested and worked, by this point I was into this for about $8,000.00 US and due to car show schedule we needed this motor done by end of September 2006. Sam through corespondence over the phone assured me that this would not be a problem and the build was going as planned. As the date neared and we added more and more accessories ie: cams, ect. and paided him more money it started to become obvious that we would not have the motor in time. By December 2006 we still did not have a motor or a confirmed date as to when we would, he said that the transmission was complete until I told him to ship it and then he said he could not as there was a couple of things to finish on it, at this point we had paid he $10,808.85 US and he was still asking for the remainder of $7,997.51 US even though we supplied the sleeves from Darton, pistons from JE, (that he claimed would not work) the Brian Crower was returned to them with a complete refund to us, as we had purchased it. At this point it appeared that we would never see this motor, so I talked to Sam and it was decided that he would refund my money but he could not do it in one lump sum, we agreeded to by weekly payments of $1000.00 US, this happened in January 2007, first payment was not received until Febuary 13/07, but the following three were on time, after that they all but stopped unless I hounded him weekly, his excuse has always been that he cannot financially afford to pay me when I call him. To this date Sam has refunded me $9,000.00 but still owes $1,808.85 plus the core transmission (which was in good working order) Core motor, (had a spun main bearing, so I purchased new block from Sam), Darton Sleeves, JE Pistons which I just received back in earlier September 2007 which have been sent to be installed by others, with a Brian Crower stroker. I have made hundreds of times to get my money back from Sam without having to do this, as he seems to be held in a very high standard on this forum. Has anyone else experienced these problems with him or is it only me?? I do have paperwork to back this up, including a fine from US Customs/Homeland Security for motor not be exported from the US back to Canada within one year of departure (imported under temp repair document).
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
Originally Posted by 2003G35
This is my story to fill you guys in.... And trust me is has taken us a long time to come to this point to having to post this up on the forums. The story starts around August 2006, Sam was hired to build me a 4.2 litre Brian Crower stroker motor, at this time I sent Sam a core engine and transmission (5 AT) to use in the build.
The pictures that were posted back in August/September 2006 of the stoker not working was my engine. When the motor did not work Sam informed me that he had a stroker that was tested and worked, by this point I was into this for about $8,000.00 US and due to car show schedule we needed this motor done by end of September 2006.
Sam through corespondence over the phone assured me that this would not be a problem and the build was going as planned. As the date neared and we added more and more accessories ie: cams, ect. and paided him more money it started to become obvious that we would not have the motor in time.
By December 2006 we still did not have a motor or a confirmed date as to when we would, he said that the transmission was complete until I told him to ship it and then he said he could not as there was a couple of things to finish on it, at this point we had paid he $10,808.85 US and he was still asking for the remainder of $7,997.51 US even though we supplied the sleeves from Darton, pistons from JE, (that he claimed would not work) the Brian Crower was returned to them with a complete refund to us, as we had purchased it.
At this point it appeared that we would never see this motor, so I talked to Sam and it was decided that he would refund my money but he could not do it in one lump sum, we agreeded to by weekly payments of $1000.00 US, this happened in January 2007, first payment was not received until Febuary 13/07, but the following three were on time, after that they all but stopped unless I hounded him weekly, his excuse has always been that he cannot financially afford to pay me when I call him.
To this date Sam has refunded me $9,000.00 but still owes $1,808.85 plus the core transmission (which was in good working order) Core motor, (had a spun main bearing, so I purchased new block from Sam), Darton Sleeves, JE Pistons which I just received back in earlier September 2007 which have been sent to be installed by others, with a Brian Crower stroker.
I have made hundreds of times to get my money back from Sam without having to do this, as he seems to be held in a very high standard on this forum.
Has anyone else experienced these problems with him or is it only me?? I do have paperwork to back this up, including a fine from US Customs/Homeland Security for motor not be exported from the US back to Canada within one year of departure (imported under temp repair document).
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
The pictures that were posted back in August/September 2006 of the stoker not working was my engine. When the motor did not work Sam informed me that he had a stroker that was tested and worked, by this point I was into this for about $8,000.00 US and due to car show schedule we needed this motor done by end of September 2006.
Sam through corespondence over the phone assured me that this would not be a problem and the build was going as planned. As the date neared and we added more and more accessories ie: cams, ect. and paided him more money it started to become obvious that we would not have the motor in time.
By December 2006 we still did not have a motor or a confirmed date as to when we would, he said that the transmission was complete until I told him to ship it and then he said he could not as there was a couple of things to finish on it, at this point we had paid he $10,808.85 US and he was still asking for the remainder of $7,997.51 US even though we supplied the sleeves from Darton, pistons from JE, (that he claimed would not work) the Brian Crower was returned to them with a complete refund to us, as we had purchased it.
At this point it appeared that we would never see this motor, so I talked to Sam and it was decided that he would refund my money but he could not do it in one lump sum, we agreeded to by weekly payments of $1000.00 US, this happened in January 2007, first payment was not received until Febuary 13/07, but the following three were on time, after that they all but stopped unless I hounded him weekly, his excuse has always been that he cannot financially afford to pay me when I call him.
To this date Sam has refunded me $9,000.00 but still owes $1,808.85 plus the core transmission (which was in good working order) Core motor, (had a spun main bearing, so I purchased new block from Sam), Darton Sleeves, JE Pistons which I just received back in earlier September 2007 which have been sent to be installed by others, with a Brian Crower stroker.
I have made hundreds of times to get my money back from Sam without having to do this, as he seems to be held in a very high standard on this forum.
Has anyone else experienced these problems with him or is it only me?? I do have paperwork to back this up, including a fine from US Customs/Homeland Security for motor not be exported from the US back to Canada within one year of departure (imported under temp repair document).
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
sorry i have a short attention span
Brent,
sorry for the headache it seems that you are having, but to be honest, i haven't read of anyone being ripped off by Sam/GTM. People that have been to GTM have had very stellar things to say of him.
Either way, GL and hope this gets resolved.
sorry for the headache it seems that you are having, but to be honest, i haven't read of anyone being ripped off by Sam/GTM. People that have been to GTM have had very stellar things to say of him.
Either way, GL and hope this gets resolved.
Originally Posted by usingthejohn
Brent,
sorry for the headache it seems that you are having, but to be honest, i haven't read of anyone being ripped off by Sam/GTM. People that have been to GTM have had very stellar things to say of him.
Either way, GL and hope this gets resolved.
sorry for the headache it seems that you are having, but to be honest, i haven't read of anyone being ripped off by Sam/GTM. People that have been to GTM have had very stellar things to say of him.
Either way, GL and hope this gets resolved.
Wow, this will get interesting.
Everything else aside I find it hard to believe that a shop like GTM wouldn't have the capital on hand to issue a refund ~$10,000 in one lump sum. I would be damned if I was going to accept payments on a refund from a business, personally.
<--- waiting for a GTM response before I form any opinions.
Everything else aside I find it hard to believe that a shop like GTM wouldn't have the capital on hand to issue a refund ~$10,000 in one lump sum. I would be damned if I was going to accept payments on a refund from a business, personally.
<--- waiting for a GTM response before I form any opinions.
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Originally Posted by 2003G35
This is my story to fill you guys in.... And trust me is has taken us a long time to come to this point to having to post this up on the forums. The story starts around August 2006, Sam was hired to build me a 4.2 litre Brian Crower stroker motor, at this time I sent Sam a core engine and transmission (5 AT) to use in the build. The pictures that were posted back in August/September 2006 of the stoker not working was my engine. When the motor did not work Sam informed me that he had a stroker that was tested and worked, by this point I was into this for about $8,000.00 US and due to car show schedule we needed this motor done by end of September 2006. Sam through corespondence over the phone assured me that this would not be a problem and the build was going as planned. As the date neared and we added more and more accessories ie: cams, ect. and paided him more money it started to become obvious that we would not have the motor in time. By December 2006 we still did not have a motor or a confirmed date as to when we would, he said that the transmission was complete until I told him to ship it and then he said he could not as there was a couple of things to finish on it, at this point we had paid he $10,808.85 US and he was still asking for the remainder of $7,997.51 US even though we supplied the sleeves from Darton, pistons from JE, (that he claimed would not work) the Brian Crower was returned to them with a complete refund to us, as we had purchased it. At this point it appeared that we would never see this motor, so I talked to Sam and it was decided that he would refund my money but he could not do it in one lump sum, we agreeded to by weekly payments of $1000.00 US, this happened in January 2007, first payment was not received until Febuary 13/07, but the following three were on time, after that they all but stopped unless I hounded him weekly, his excuse has always been that he cannot financially afford to pay me when I call him. To this date Sam has refunded me $9,000.00 but still owes $1,808.85 plus the core transmission (which was in good working order) Core motor, (had a spun main bearing, so I purchased new block from Sam), Darton Sleeves, JE Pistons which I just received back in earlier September 2007 which have been sent to be installed by others, with a Brian Crower stroker. I have made hundreds of times to get my money back from Sam without having to do this, as he seems to be held in a very high standard on this forum. Has anyone else experienced these problems with him or is it only me?? I do have paperwork to back this up, including a fine from US Customs/Homeland Security for motor not be exported from the US back to Canada within one year of departure (imported under temp repair document).
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brent Mills
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Because I cant see 10K being a big deal for GTM to pay back. And no....you are the first I have seen post a $$$ problem about GTM 
I have spend over $40,000 at GTM and every thing was promised and installed. Never once doubted them. My next built will be a 4.2L stroker with them.
Last edited by THE ROADSTER; Nov 29, 2007 at 07:50 AM.
Most shops have hard cash tied up in parts and operations. It would not surprise me at all if GTM couldn't just whip out $10,000+ Hats off to the OP for accepting a payment plan for the refund. I'm curious to hear from GTM why it wasn't followed.
minor point here:
so you adding more things delayed the work being done on the engine? Am I wrong or does that actually make some sense that it would delay things for making the car show deadline?
Originally Posted by 2003G35
.....As the date neared and we added more and more accessories ie: cams, ect. and paided him more money it started to become obvious that we would not have the motor in time.
Last edited by sentry65; Nov 29, 2007 at 07:54 AM.
Holy **** man, I wouldnt accept payment plans for anything from a Business.
Think about it like this, when you wanted your engine did they do a payment plan with you? Then why would you do it for them? This is Business and has nothing to do with trust.
I'm more shocked that you would let them do that and take that long. Take 10 Grand from me and offer me a payment plan see how I react to that.
Sorry to hear of this but you set yourself up for being to trusting.
Think about it like this, when you wanted your engine did they do a payment plan with you? Then why would you do it for them? This is Business and has nothing to do with trust.
I'm more shocked that you would let them do that and take that long. Take 10 Grand from me and offer me a payment plan see how I react to that.
Sorry to hear of this but you set yourself up for being to trusting.
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The situation is now being rectified, as I just got off the phone with Sam and he has advised me that my funds will be refunded with one hour, and the mis-understanding will be taken care off.
