I think what Quicksilver was trying to say, is that MRC had no obligation to help you, becuase you didn't purchase anything from him, and you are not a customer of his. But he did it anyways, which I think was pretty nice of him. He certainly didn't have to help you, but he did. That's all.

 

yeah thats exactly what i was trying to say...


exactly...i didnt mean it as alberto is special...but that he is a customer...

 

Ah, I didnt clearly understand that. Good stuff, its always nice to hear things like that. OP-it was cool Greddy took care of you, even though it may have been metal into the turbo...

 

exactly... this is why i give my props to J on this matter

i mean is like if i were to f-up my clutch but because i bought the cosworth plenum from sharif...i In no way would expect him to be the one that would help me out with that part of the problem...
or if some how something happens let say with the cf caps of the cosworth plenum, and i would expect intense to fix them....
Although both shops are are outstanding in customer service and would probably help me out one way or another they really wouldn't have any obligation to do so.

 

Once again, let me remind you that I have done business with Julian.
I don't think I need to repeat myself. Its all there.

I'm happy.

P.S. I don't know for sure that metal got in there...however, it would be quite suspect considering how much ground, very fine bearing metal was in the oil pan. It too could have come from a turbo melt-down...but realistically I don't think so. I'll just leave it to the experts.

Looking forward to the future.

 

It's good to see this moving forward with help from vendors.

We all have our differences here, but it's nice when everyone can put things aside to help each other out.

 

have you considered the turbo bearing is the material in the pan and is also the reason your rod/main bearings are chewed?

 

Not even nuthugging here. But Julian is a standup guy and does take care of his customers. Very few, if any would say otherwise.

 

This seems to be the first issue I have heard of with a motor from ipp

 

That is true. However at this point, Randy may never know what exactly went wrong.

 

If you know your Greddy's, you know they are generally bullitproof. It is highly unlikely that they failed from self destruction. These Turbos and the simple technology they employ have been around for decades and have changed minimally. Thats why they are so good. Very reliable turbos.
I am just lucky to have someone help me out and give a light nudge to Greddy to help me out.

 

the turbo is drive by exhaust flow, so this could not even be feasible

 

The thrust bearing has engine oil all around it. Bearing chews itself and goes back to the engine via oil drain tube. Feasible but not likely in this case. Detonation is a more likely culprit and those are bits of piston and rings.

 

just because the design is good doesn't cover a bearing getting dropped at the factory and picked back up or it could have been some guys last day,you just never know.if you put a magnet in the pan material it should tell you alot,unless the bearing wore to the shell it should not pick up much,if it does you were moving the turbo bearing through the motor.

 

i thought you were better than this

 

You are absolutely correct, which is why much of this thread is purely speculation. If folks don't know the intimate details of the tear-down and the results, they can't possibly know what went wrong. But it is definitely good to hear some ideas of what could possibly have gone wrong. Lots of theories. Some are plausible, others junk. I do however appreciate the feedback.
Looking for any information to help avoid problems like this in the future.

Just FYI, pistons and rings were all intact as per the results given to me by Kyle. A lot of pitting on certain piston tops and on the heads as well. Yes the plugs were one step colder, gapped to spec and torqued. HKS gasket was intact, but will no longer be re-useable. Heads will require a valve job. I will need a new set of piston rings, a couple of new rods, possibly a new crank.

 

the chance, or even possibility that a bearing chewed itself up and the path of least resistance it chose to follow to free itself from the turbine housing was somehow through the return tube, lodging itself in the pan and then getting spit upwards (past the pickup), is so remote, its not even in the realm of possibilities IMHO. The turbo going bad was the result (IMHO) of other things going on in the motor, not the root cause. I'll leave it to the people directly involved to play Perry Mason on this one, though I've got my own ideas based on the info I know about the situation (which is more than what is in this thread) which I've discussed with Randy already. At the end of the day, it really doesn't much matter at this point - I'm just glad he's on the road to recovery, and will be back with hopefully a well sorted machine again!

 

the only place it can go is down the drain tube.....at least until it is so mangled it comes out the exaust.the pickup quickly picks up this metallic blend and the first place on the road through the motor is rods and mains.with a front oil pump the first bearings to see it is #1 and #2.

 

like I said, if you knew the rest of the details, it's clearly not what happened

 

i just have argument with "not feasable" and "not in the realm of possibility".if i knew the details i could offer more support,but with the limited info posted all i can do is point out the obvious.