Ok guys hopefully i would not get flamed to bad. Im not trying to start a auto vs manual war either but this got me thinking. If you were on a rolling start not a dig because i know that the manual would have an advantage on launching unless the auto had a torque converter and a stall.

Okay so you racing from a roll with 2 350z with forced induction one manual and the other auto. we will say for kicks that Both cars put down 400 rwhp and almost the same torque down on the same dyno.

Which car would have an advantage or will they be even because they put down the same amount of hp to the wheels. I would think the auto because it has no lag inbetween gears please discuss im interested, thanks!

 

Why don't you ask Alberto, lol

 

driver's race
also depends on what speed you start at and what speed you end at

and the amount of traction available to each car

 

Yeah, the roll in speed would matter a ton. For instance, and I know these numbers won't make sense, but let's say you launch at 30 MPH. This could be the high RPM range for 1st gear on the Auto and the low RPM range in 2nd gear on the manual. Perhaps if you launched at another speed it would be flipped. Since the gearing is different, the launch speed will put the cars in different rpm ranges and possibly different gears. Also, even if same gears, one might need to shift right away and the other won't shift for a while.

In theory, an auto that is built properly will shift faster than any human can. on the other hand, a stock auto tranny in the Z is good, but not terrific. If it is a stock auto tranny, I'd give the edge to a good driver in a manual. If it is a built or modified auto tranny done correctly, then I'd give the edge to a good driver in an auto.

 

ok i see what about if the both cars were equipped with the same gears with 2 good drivers and traction was available to both of them equally.

 

Once again, the theory is that the auto can shift faster and when built/tuned properly keep your rpm range right where you want it the entire time.

This is nearly impossible to test in reality, but I think everyone can agree that in theory that auto can shift faster and maintain peak hp ranges longer than any driver could achieve in a manual.

Without a built transmission (assuming completely stock AT), however, the manual should be faster under the given conditions. A good driver with a manual can improve the shifting quite a bit over an amateur. The auto driver can only do so much, since the time and the RPMs are controlled by the computer primarily. The shifting is good, but not great stock. Also, having owned both a manual Z and an auto Z, I can tell you the race would be VERY close.

 

ZdayZ...

 

I agree. as asinine as this debate is, you can say a lot of things "in theory", but at the end of the day, in practice, I think that a 6sp will win out over the 5at most times.

 

bump! ...and now what do you say Jamez?

 

A big thumbs up for us auto guys.....great job man.

 

I couldn't resist as I came across this old thread while researching my new TC. I don't think I actually raced Jamez.

I gotta take this setup out to the 1/4 mile and get some #s before the swap. I have a feeling even though I'll put more to the ground, I'll increase my ET.

 

I've had a chance to race a few different cars by now. I'm a believer, auto's don't fu*k about!

 

i refuse to lose to auto's

 

I refuse to lose to MT's

 

I refuse to run less than 470 whp on the street

 

+1

 

this thread is stupid. OP all u did was start another M/T vs. A/T thread.

 

you got me good on that one.. But just remember its how you put the power to the ground that counts

 

the thread was from last feb... that issue was dead and gone.. this is just smack talk now

 

coach.. i hook like crazy.. call it my super dooper clutch skills and rear end control.. i'm just hot like that