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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 12:50 PM
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Luie, you have built quite an impressive and track proven car. It will take a fairly unique buyer to give you near the price you want and deserve.

The only way to come up with a "fair" price is to start with the book value of the car, add up the total cost of the modifications (without labor) and adjust for depreciation of those items while discounting for removal of the stock items.

So for example let's say you start with a book value of $20k, add a discounted value of $30k (or about $50k or so original) in modifications, and subtract $5k discounted value of stock items. In this case a fair price might be $45k. This is just an example and NOT representative of your actual car.

Then again someone who wants a track beast and wants to save themselves the hassle and trial and error you have endured might pay over that price and it would be worth it to them.

Good luck bro!
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Luie, you have built quite an impressive and track proven car. It will take a fairly unique buyer to give you near the price you want and deserve.

The only way to come up with a "fair" price is to start with the book value of the car, add up the total cost of the modifications (without labor) and adjust for depreciation of those items while discounting for removal of the stock items.

So for example let's say you start with a book value of $20k, add a discounted value of $30k (or about $50k or so original) in modifications, and subtract $5k discounted value of stock items. In this case a fair price might be $45k. This is just an example and NOT representative of your actual car.

Then again someone who wants a track beast and wants to save themselves the hassle and trial and error you have endured might pay over that price and it would be worth it to them.

Good luck bro!

Thanks Ron!

Well guys call me an old man or a sell out, but the fact is I am in the market for a 997 Turbo, not modding it keeping it stock. If I was a baller like Ron I would keep her, but the Army doesn't pay much. I would like to see $50,000 for my car. When you guys see my car at Zdays you will agree it worth alot more. This car has alot of history and one of a kind parts (custom fab). I am sure there are many other forum members that have tired new and "secret " things on thier cars, but never posted on here. I always did, and posted about my finding, and short falls. This car has gone a long way, and stripping it to stock form and driving it to Carmax would be straight up wrong and a slap in the face to all the shops and mechanics that laid hands on this beast. I still think this is the baddest car in the forum, cuz its still running hard and strong! All thanks to all of you members that inspired me to push my car, and try new things, all the shop owners that I talked to personally , Sharif, Sam, Dave, Jeremy, Julian, thanks for taking the time and answering all my questions.
I want a P car like Rons and to do so I have to let her go! Its something I always wanted since I was a kid and the time is now.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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I guess putting a price tag on at Z dayz will be a seller for sure!! Part out if that falls through IMO.. GL..
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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If people would pay that much for those used pieces, then it might make sense, but cut at least 30% off those numbers.
I would say for the wheels/tires and FCON yes. But the Stoptech 14" F/R brakes go for about $3000 used from what I've seen. And the motor/turbo kit combo maybe we could knock off $2000.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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A part out would be too sad and too much of a emotional gut wrench considering the time and effort put into it... I can't begin to imagine putting a monster like that back to stock. You'll have better luck shopping this thing around on other forums like that were previously mentioned...good luck and have fun w/ the new endeavor...
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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luie -

i completely understand the oxymoronic feelings that you have at the moment... the desire to move on combating the love, blood, sweat and tears that you have for your car... these mixed emotions can really suck, but in the end, you must do what your gut is telling you...

that said, no matter what anyone says here, you're in for a hard sale if you are asking more than 200% of what the loan value is on your car... people here can say that you should demand 40, 50 even 60k for your car, and sure, to you and them it's worth it... but, none of them will put their money where their mouth is, i guarantee you that... and there's probably not anyone out there who will...

take my car for example... it's nearly the same build as yours sans the upgraded turbos, cams, bbk and a few other small items... yet, i can't even get someone to dole out 31k for it... i've over 60k in her, but does that matter? nope...not one bit... she's extremely low mileage..only 23.5k on the clock... in pristine shape, as you well know... yet, she sits in my possession with only "Ooohs and Aaaahs" (and no money) coming from the mouths of interested people...

the sad fact remains that 99.9% of the people who are going to be interested in your car will want to get a loan for it... .1% of those interested will have the liquid capitol needed to buy your car... i'm not saying that finding that .1% won't/can't happen, but you could also win the lottery...

i'm not trying to be a pessimist here...just a realist... i'm like you, doc... i wouldn't part my car out to make the extra money... i love her too much for who she is to do so... so, i'm willing to take the loss for that ONE special buyer who will care for her as much as i do...and take RESPONSIBLE care of her... do yourself a favour, doc... cut your losses...and sell your car to someone who will cherish her...
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy@Forged
luie -

i completely understand the oxymoronic feelings that you have at the moment... the desire to move on combating the love, blood, sweat and tears that you have for your car... these mixed emotions can really suck, but in the end, you must do what your gut is telling you...

that said, no matter what anyone says here, you're in for a hard sale if you are asking more than 200% of what the loan value is on your car... people here can say that you should demand 40, 50 even 60k for your car, and sure, to you and them it's worth it... but, none of them will put their money where their mouth is, i guarantee you that... and there's probably not anyone out there who will...

take my car for example... it's nearly the same build as yours sans the upgraded turbos, cams, bbk and a few other small items... yet, i can't even get someone to dole out 31k for it... i've over 60k in her, but does that matter? nope...not one bit... she's extremely low mileage..only 23.5k on the clock... in pristine shape, as you well know... yet, she sits in my possession with only "Ooohs and Aaaahs" (and no money) coming from the mouths of interested people...

the sad fact remains that 99.9% of the people who are going to be interested in your car will want to get a loan for it... .1% of those interested will have the liquid capitol needed to buy your car... i'm not saying that finding that .1% won't/can't happen, but you could also win the lottery...

i'm not trying to be a pessimist here...just a realist... i'm like you, doc... i wouldn't part my car out to make the extra money... i love her too much for who she is to do so... so, i'm willing to take the loss for that ONE special buyer who will care for her as much as i do...and take RESPONSIBLE care of her... do yourself a favour, doc... cut your losses...and sell your car to someone who will cherish her...

Very well Put my friend! At this point I am leaning on the side of taking a big loss and giving it away to a squared away customer. If it doesn't happen by August, I hate to say it but the parting will happen. I have the motor already sold if this happens, hell alot of parts sold. However your right it sucks losing so much, I have indeed learned a invaluable lesson, and I have learned it the hard way.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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Before I opened this I thought the motor went BOOM, thank goodness it is safe
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy@Forged
luie -

i completely understand the oxymoronic feelings that you have at the moment... the desire to move on combating the love, blood, sweat and tears that you have for your car... these mixed emotions can really suck, but in the end, you must do what your gut is telling you...

that said, no matter what anyone says here, you're in for a hard sale if you are asking more than 200% of what the loan value is on your car... people here can say that you should demand 40, 50 even 60k for your car, and sure, to you and them it's worth it... but, none of them will put their money where their mouth is, i guarantee you that... and there's probably not anyone out there who will...

take my car for example... it's nearly the same build as yours sans the upgraded turbos, cams, bbk and a few other small items... yet, i can't even get someone to dole out 31k for it... i've over 60k in her, but does that matter? nope...not one bit... she's extremely low mileage..only 23.5k on the clock... in pristine shape, as you well know... yet, she sits in my possession with only "Ooohs and Aaaahs" (and no money) coming from the mouths of interested people...

the sad fact remains that 99.9% of the people who are going to be interested in your car will want to get a loan for it... .1% of those interested will have the liquid capitol needed to buy your car... i'm not saying that finding that .1% won't/can't happen, but you could also win the lottery...

i'm not trying to be a pessimist here...just a realist... i'm like you, doc... i wouldn't part my car out to make the extra money... i love her too much for who she is to do so... so, i'm willing to take the loss for that ONE special buyer who will care for her as much as i do...and take RESPONSIBLE care of her... do yourself a favour, doc... cut your losses...and sell your car to someone who will cherish her...
Well said
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy@Forged
luie -

i completely understand the oxymoronic feelings that you have at the moment... the desire to move on combating the love, blood, sweat and tears that you have for your car... these mixed emotions can really suck, but in the end, you must do what your gut is telling you...

that said, no matter what anyone says here, you're in for a hard sale if you are asking more than 200% of what the loan value is on your car... people here can say that you should demand 40, 50 even 60k for your car, and sure, to you and them it's worth it... but, none of them will put their money where their mouth is, i guarantee you that... and there's probably not anyone out there who will...

take my car for example... it's nearly the same build as yours sans the upgraded turbos, cams, bbk and a few other small items... yet, i can't even get someone to dole out 31k for it... i've over 60k in her, but does that matter? nope...not one bit... she's extremely low mileage..only 23.5k on the clock... in pristine shape, as you well know... yet, she sits in my possession with only "Ooohs and Aaaahs" (and no money) coming from the mouths of interested people...

the sad fact remains that 99.9% of the people who are going to be interested in your car will want to get a loan for it... .1% of those interested will have the liquid capitol needed to buy your car... i'm not saying that finding that .1% won't/can't happen, but you could also win the lottery...

i'm not trying to be a pessimist here...just a realist... i'm like you, doc... i wouldn't part my car out to make the extra money... i love her too much for who she is to do so... so, i'm willing to take the loss for that ONE special buyer who will care for her as much as i do...and take RESPONSIBLE care of her... do yourself a favour, doc... cut your losses...and sell your car to someone who will cherish her...
+1 Well said Jeremy.

I had this issue with my previous Audi. I built it and loved it...tried and tried to sell her...finally got the money I wanted ...in the process turning down others for less money only to have the buyer call me later (about 2 months) and ask where to get some of parts I had b/c he had wrecked it goofing off in an empty parking lot.

It broke my heart man. The worst part is...when he picked it up I knew that he probably wouldn't care for it like i did. If I could go back I would have sold it for less to another guy who LOVED the car and just couldn't get quite enough for what I was asking.

Needless to say... I told the guy he was on his own...I gave him a company in Canada and said... call them they'll tell you where to find some of it.

In the end...you need someone to appreciate and respect all the blood, sweat, and tears you put into her and not take it for granted and treat it like a joyride vehicle.
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Originally Posted by eagletanggreen
Very well Put my friend! At this point I am leaning on the side of taking a big loss and giving it away to a squared away customer. If it doesn't happen by August, I hate to say it but the parting will happen. I have the motor already sold if this happens, hell alot of parts sold. However your right it sucks losing so much, I have indeed learned a invaluable lesson, and I have learned it the hard way.
if it comes down to parting her out, no one can/will fault you for that... in the end, it's just a machine... to be honest, that's the most fiscally responsible thing that you could do... using logic, you'd be a fool (as am i) to not try and make the most money possible back on your "investment"... but, logic is 180 degrees opposite of the emotional attachment that we have to the mere machine...

if i don't find that .1% soon, i may consider the part out route, myself...

no matter what you do, i wish you the best of luck and offer any help that you see i could be...

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Originally Posted by Jeremy@Forged
if it comes down to parting her out, no one can/will fault you for that... in the end, it's just a machine... to be honest, that's the most fiscally responsible thing that you could do... using logic, you'd be a fool (as am i) to not try and make the most money possible back on your "investment"... but, logic is 180 degrees opposite of the emotional attachment that we have to the mere machine...

if i don't find that .1% soon, i may consider the part out route, myself...

no matter what you do, i wish you the best of luck and offer any help that you see i could be...
Dr. Phil is that you?
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Bring the car with you to Japan and sell it over there.

Considering nothing but the exchange rate, you can get more for it. And considering the degree of American build, it will generate a lot of interest.
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If you decide to part out remember I am from Fayetteville also!!!! Got a fews things I am interested in.
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Dr. Phil is that you?
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... tell no one!
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Even with my issues, and the thought of selling/parting out, I just cant do it. Im like these dumb b!tches who stay with their husbands who beat their a$$es, even when Im beat down, tired of the issues, tired of the pain (in my case a light wallet) and even when I know something will likely go wrong again, I look towards the good and go back...agghhhhh
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^^^ lol, she only breaks because she loves you
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Even with my issues, and the thought of selling/parting out, I just cant do it. Im like these dumb b!tches who stay with their husbands who beat their a$$es, even when Im beat down, tired of the issues, tired of the pain (in my case a light wallet) and even when I know something will likely go wrong again, I look towards the good and go back...agghhhhh
since the secret is out that i'm Dr. Phil, (thanks Turismo!) i think it's high-time that you and i had a sit down session...
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Well that didn't last long...why do people always sell their cars 3 months after they drop 20k to build it up?

So i guess now is a bad time to post up my feeler huh?
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So i guess now is a bad time to post up my feeler huh?
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