Making Power With 110 Octane
10-07-2008, 12:57 PM
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The reason for choosing to go VTA on the drivers side cover, was not to increase power, but rather to eliminate the possibility of any oil vapors going into the engine during boost, were it would lower my detonation threshold which would create a loss in power or ability to create more power.
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
10-07-2008, 12:59 PM
#22
Moroso is the exhaust draft/suction system? Why not just tap the intakes in similar fashion, which is theoretically pulling in as much (if not more) air as is going out the exhaust? Having the driver's side vent be an open breather allows ventilation rather than evacuation = less oil vapor being sucked out of the cc. No horsepower gain, but that's not the low hanging fruit for horsepower generation anyway.
You would be surprised how much of a difference having oil vapors/oil go into your engine can affect detonation.
10-07-2008, 01:26 PM
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The reason for choosing to go VTA on the drivers side cover, was not to increase power, but rather to eliminate the possibility of any oil vapors going into the engine during boost, were it would lower my detonation threshold which would create a loss in power or ability to create more power.
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
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10-07-2008, 03:09 PM
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What about venting both to atmosphere? I know no suction would be on the system like this, but would it be that bad?
Also, concerning the exhaust crankcase evacuation, with a dual 3" exhaust system with straight through muffler would their be much backpressure?
Also, concerning the exhaust crankcase evacuation, with a dual 3" exhaust system with straight through muffler would their be much backpressure?
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10-07-2008, 03:29 PM
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Here is a good link on hondatech I found about diff evac systems.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1199935
Very interesting that he talks about welding the slashcut tube on the wastegate dump pipe (if its atmosphere).
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10-07-2008, 03:45 PM
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Its oil vapors that will be coming out of the tube, not anything that would be noticeable maybe a few drops if that.
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?
-George
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?
-George
10-07-2008, 04:10 PM
#28
I know that we have been using a Moroso one-way exhaust suction valve on our Porsche 928 race car for 3 years now. We get oil in our catch tank so it is working but I can't say if there is an rpm that is stops being effective.
The reason for choosing to go VTA on the drivers side cover, was not to increase power, but rather to eliminate the possibility of any oil vapors going into the engine during boost, were it would lower my detonation threshold which would create a loss in power or ability to create more power.
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
The Moroso set up is one step over what I have, and the electric setup is another, although I was referring to a homemade setup, I was going to make some like this guys setup:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1450082 - Post 17
This would be cost effective, and probably fit in the battery compartment.
So what is your opinion on the people claiming the Moroso style systems to only be effective during idle/low rpm? Is this just speculation? I couldn't find any actually testing on the system to see how it efficient it is throughout the entire rpm band.
-George
10-07-2008, 04:16 PM
#29
Its oil vapors that will be coming out of the tube, not anything that would be noticeable maybe a few drops if that.
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?
-George
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?
-George
10-07-2008, 04:58 PM
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Flow through a pipe can create vacuum regardless of pressure if implemented correctly (in regards to the Moroso setup). JET may have lots of oil right now, but it could be from increased crankcase pressure affecting turbo oil return, which a breather (with a catch can if necessary) may fix. It's a quick fix. I'd do that, change the PCV valve, put a one way check valve in between the PCV and plenum and hope for the best. It might just work.
10-07-2008, 07:59 PM
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[QUOTE=George@GTM;6395183]Its oil vapors that will be coming out of the tube, not anything that would be noticeable maybe a few drops if that.
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?[quote]
if you only operate under boost you would need to retain the stock system and have to employ some type of switching valve(similiar to what toyota uses on their egr system)for for it to operate properly. my opinion on moroso is that it functions well into the rpm range on n/a and even better on boosted apps.the one way valve is a reed type setup and responds well to the increased crankcase pressure of boost.in n/a you are almost completely dependent on the pitot tube creating a strong venturi signal,but boosted apps excessive crankcase pressure helps this process and actually pushes itself out,you are just giving it somewhere to go(hence power).by design moroso style can never be worse than vta,with the exception of installer error.
go-fast, I was going to have the pump activate based of a boost switch, so it would only activate under boost.
My only draw back to the Moroso system, as I said, is that it seems some people beleive it does not work under higher rpm/load. Although I have seen no evidence either way.
I would much Rather do a Moroso style set up if it does work all the time, it so much cheaper, cleaner, and easier to install. I know they have a check valve in line to avoid pressurizing the covers, but wouldn't that mean that at some point they aren't doing anything? Actually it this scenario they would be worst than a VTA setup.
What do you think?[quote]
if you only operate under boost you would need to retain the stock system and have to employ some type of switching valve(similiar to what toyota uses on their egr system)for for it to operate properly. my opinion on moroso is that it functions well into the rpm range on n/a and even better on boosted apps.the one way valve is a reed type setup and responds well to the increased crankcase pressure of boost.in n/a you are almost completely dependent on the pitot tube creating a strong venturi signal,but boosted apps excessive crankcase pressure helps this process and actually pushes itself out,you are just giving it somewhere to go(hence power).by design moroso style can never be worse than vta,with the exception of installer error.
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