I used a Shell gas station the other day that had a notice on it's pumps that stated that it was not an ethanol blend and was 100% gasoline.

My question is are all Shell gasolines unblended? Are there other manufacturers that sell unblended fuel? Ethanol is the devil! That sh*t is horrible and I'm sick of using it and paying for it.

 

Why do you think Ethanol is the devil? Many turbo guys love e85/e98. Alot of states use ethanol mixed gasolines. In TN basicly every gas station, shell included, has up to 10% ethanol in all their gas except deisel.

I found a website once that showed every state that mixed gas and what states require notice on the pump, but having trouble finding it now.

 

http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm. ?

 

That stuff really is the devil. The implications of E10, E85, and E98 go a lot farther then most people care to learn about.

 

every station I go to now has the "contains up to 10% ethanol" sticker on the pumps.

 

I'm not a big fan of ethanol either. The thing that cracks me up is that everyone is saying, "We need to go to E85....blah, blah, blah". What happens when we have a food shortage because we're putting all of the corn in the gas tanks? Freakin' tree-huggers never think about things like that.

 

Up here in WI, we have E10 at every station in Madison and Milwaukee. In my town our Premium gas doesn't have ethanol, but it's only 91 octane. In a lot of the smaller towns gas stations advertise "Real Gas!!" - so I always try to fill up whenever I'm near one. Otherwise, it's 93 octane E10 :-/

Not to get political, but there are politicians talking about getting rid of the ethanol subsidies - which they absolutely should do.

 

Here in AZ we have a 10% ethanol blend during the winter months, this is an EPA mandate.

As far as the debate on using food for fuel, the corn used for ethanol is not edible. The long term source for ethanol will not be corn, but grasses or other fiberous plants. Brazil, the largest producer of ethanol, is currently using sugar cane waste so there are alternatives to food as fuel.

 

No it was a different one. It listed every state that is responsible for imforming the customer what percentage of the gas has ethanol. Some states are not responsible for putting a sticker on the pump and some are. Also, some states differ in the % that they are responsible to inform. So say if the gas has 10%, but the state isnt require to inform the customer unless its 15%, then there will be no sticker at the pump.

 

With higher blends of ethanol I worry about my AFRs going off. There is much less energy in an equivalent weight of ethanol as compared to gasoline.

Thus far, I have not seen a huge variation in my AFRs so I guess my worries are unfounded, or I have not really put any fuel in my car that has 10% ethanol in it.

Ethanol has a place in the energy market but it should not economically viable because the government forces it to be.

 

the american definition of edible is much different than third world,and it is a fact that corn based ethanol has caused world food shortages.i do agree that future sources will not be corn,i recently saw some guy with rapid growth algea that looked promising.but that is a long way off and the cost to benefit ratio of ethanol still sucks.even if it becomes a viable solution,greed will pump the price within penny's of the next reasonable fuel.don't get me wrong,there is plenty of application for alchohol,but for mass transportation it just doesn't fit.

 

+1
it's industrial corn - the type used in makeup and manufacturing etc
My uncle grows huge amounts of it. It's stupid to try to eat it when there's so many healthier things and easier things to grow and eat.
I think you can process it to make it editable, but it's not cost effective

There are better plants for making E85 than corn though...

I totally don't think we have the land to make E85 a primary gas, but it's an interesting niche alternative

 

for those willing to experiment the possibilities are endless(imagine double the hp of the highest hp z on these forums),i just don't like the bull that it is the road to energy independence.

 

How would it double HP? e98 is about the same octane as c16.

 

with alchohol you could run compression AND boost....maybe my estimate is high,but once you build that way a bit'o nitro is par for the course.

 

Yes, but no one on here is going to spend the money on the fuel system just to be able to run alcohol. Drag cars yes, street cars, no way.

 

is this the fact or is it that farmers are paid to not grow/harvest as much corn to keep prices at a certain amount? I find it hard to believe there is a shortage when have friends who are paid to keep their crops in the field and let them rot, paid to not plant at all, or see MOUNDS of corn 3 stories tall sitting outside because there is so much corn with nowhere to go.

simply an observation.

edit: after reading my own post....i realized in a round about way....i agreed with you. haha. the reason the above happens is because if they keep corn prices down, ethanol is cheaper. this doesn't really help farmers, but does help the ethanol producers. i remember reading something about 3mos ago about how if the price of corn goes up, some producers will go bankrupt because there isn't much money in producing the stuff compared to how much it costs to make.

sorry about the now worthless post.

 

Same here in Vegas.

 

i dont see the issue, i could care less about the cost of corn going up a marginal amount. It is cheaper and prevents knocking/detonation. there not phasing out gas and no one use e85. and all the hippies who are trying to save the world can be passified. its a win win. If they added blood from children and it made gas cheaper and increased the octane i would be down. the whole corn economic debate is a mute one since it really doesnt affect price as far a supply and demand due to the subsidies the farmers are receiving anyways. they are paid to keep the supply low to keep the price artifically high, if demand increase 10%, the price will rise accordingly and the subsides will be reduced till it hits a market equalibrium. when and if all cars are running ethanol than i will concede and admit i am wrong but we are no where near there.