I didn't think Booger's temp ban should be permanent BTW.
I was just trying to find out if it was temporary or permanent.

I thought it would be a flat out shame if it was permanent and a loss to the community.




Speaking for myself, I'll defend anyone I think is worth defending or who I think has a reasonable case. I won't pretend to know every last detail of every unhappy GTM customer who ever existed - all shops have a few unhappy customers. GTM is huge though and has lots more customers than any normal shop.

It's like saying Microsoft sucks because they have so many unhappy customers compared to Apple who's a spec on the radar in comparison. Of course we're going to hear about more unhappy GTM customers - unhappy customers are LOUD and GTM has a higher volume of customers.


So far, GTM has treated me well and I'll stick up for them or anyone as long as I feel they're treating me right are being fair.

I've done my share of burning down a shop's reputation - like Vivid Racing - who tried to screw me over in a completely uncalled for way - had my credit card company do a stop payment because they didn't do the work they charged me for. I raged on them on this forum and the local AZ Z forum.

 

And nothing against you for it Romey - but like I said, and like everyone now knows or has known for a while- politics are at play and the players have the colored user names (premier members discluded - to a degree).

I think you're a stand up guy and have never taken any issue with anything you've ever posted since I've been a member - so dont think that last post from me was aimed at you or anyone specific, because it wasn't. I was speaking only about principle.

 

Wow, that was alot of reading, I haven't even read all of this thread cause the g35driver had me for 1.5 hours of drama. I hope the customers issues get resolved, but you can almost shift a little blame to everyone since no one is perfect. GTM does seem to be pretty defensive and does shift blame to everyone but themselves. just from evidence and pictures makes me think people should not touch GTM with a 10ft pole because whoever is assembling the engines is suspect. Consider this, a suspect engine builder, the engine probably could survive if run in a regular NA config but you add high hp applications and every measurement has to be on point, high hp applications are pushed to the edge during tuning, we've all seen stuff blow up on the dyno on youtube. So improper engine build for high hp application+ tuners that push tuning to the edge= engine fail. I do agree though for the amount of money shelled out for a built engine, that stuff needs to be on point.

 

Ok my man i dont take issue i was just sayin hey my name is colored too you know

 

And here is what I consider part of the problem, and what drives me to make these posts when theres nothing in it to gain for me and 10 people to attack me for every one who agrees:

Sentry, I respect you a lot - I think you've contributed a ton to this community. So this is not a personal attack, just my view.

You should defend a shop in the capacity that the issue at hand pertains to you, but no more. For example, GTM tuned your car, so defend them or vouch for them on tuning. If you dont have a GTM built motor, then why nutswing for them when the issue in question is a poorly built motor?

Should I recommend Forged to everyone on here who asks where they should get their built short block from, just because Sharif went out of his way once to ship me a clutch line overnight? (true story). No - because Forged never built me a short block or worked on my engine.

But people do variations of this daily. Some guy at "X" shop installed a catch can for them, or did 2 hours of tuning for them, or sourced them some rare JDM part for them, and so that person comes on my350z and fights tooth and nail for "X" shop. There are great things to be said for good customer service and the resulting brand loyalty it will bring - but PLEASE people, do not speak beyond your knowledge base.

 

Yea, but you said...
"are we talking permanent ban or a temporary 1 month ban?

this is the 2nd time he's been banned if I remember

I've never minded his question or debating with him, but it's not hard to grow tired of his emotional attacks and bad attitude towards people often calling them names etc. I mean, just searching through his posts, almost every other post is him lashing out in some way to someone getting way too worked up - or how it comes off to me anyway"


So, you want to stick with your story?

 

yeah, I even reread my exact post before I responded

I was asking a question and stating a fact.

At the time, I was fine with him being temporarily banned - I thought maybe that was possibly a good thing. But if he was permanently banned, I would have been one of the first people complaining to the mods how unfair that is.

I would have felt responsible to be honest because we have had a lot of disagreements but it would be at least be partially my fault. I have no control over what he might say, but I do have control over letting it escalate.

 

lol
ok to be fair to all this.. about booger, he did deserve his ban, not because of the issues he brought up but because he called out sam, sam responded to his questions, then he decided to continue to rehash and then decided to get into it with nitrouz, he got a warning from him but booger decided to ignore it and to test him..and he got banned...it was his fault for trying to go at a moderator and making his arguments to personal...def no need for perma

 

well, that's exactly what I thought I've done before.
When someone attacks something about a shop that reflects on my car, I'm going to jump in and say what I think. Often there's at least a few things they didn't consider that I think are worth bringing up. All I can do is bring up details I noticed when I was actually there. People are super quick to want to hang a company and get in on the drama, but fewer have had personal experience and have direct knowledge from being there and meeting the people.

I have a built GTM engine on order right now. It's probably being built as we speak after waiting for 10:1 CR pistons....so I should have at least some reason or concern to weigh in. I'm trying to stay out of specifics with these cases in this thread because I really don't know anything about them. I just don't want people disregarding my opinion as a "GTM nuthugger" because I've had a good experience with them.

I agree though, staff can change or the quality of work can change at a shop. We should be made aware if someone is doing bad work, but at the same time, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt until those situations have been resolved.

 

lets try and keep this at least a little on track fellas.

 

All shops make mistakes but really at the end of the day as long as they take care of the customer and I mean really take care of them then that shows more maturity in the shop and builds confidence in the community they are trying to serve.

I hope that this happens in this case also and that the responsible party takes care of the customer.

 

+1 this is the truth and how i viewed it as well

 

Why did you believe that? Was there other symptons, other than the Blackstone report?

 

very interesting and informing thread. my sympathy goes out to all of those who have had to go through this. I know first hand whats it like to be without your car for six+ long months. I am currently running a sleeved 3.8 GTM motor and it has been running well (and the funny thing is Julian tuned it)... I got my fingures crossed after this thread, jesus so many failures. best regards to all the vitcims I hope a conclusion is reached very soon for everyones sake

 

Shouldn't indications of poor assembly and machining be seen through build sheets and engine specific tolerance specs? Every motor should receive engine specific specifications and tolerance sheets. I know as soon as I recieved my motor from my builder that was the first thing I examined was the build sheets. I didn't purchase a long block so head studs were able to be double checked for tq specs upon full assembly and installation.

Do shops look at these when they receive the motor prior to installation and start up...or is it assumed they are "good to go". Mistakes happen and I live by the mentality of "measure twice, cut once".

 

Holy christ. GTM is the new AAM. Will they sink to the level of VRT??

 

Whoa there. There are issues coming to a head...but I wouldn't lump them in with the issues other shops you mentioned had. Apples to Oranges really.

 

Aren't you selling your G?

 

that wont help much, most people wouldn't know what they are looking at and if the shop put the numbers down and did the math they would know if there is a screw up before they send it out.

The problem is if they made a mistake measuring or writing the numbers down, and you wont know this unless you disassemble the engine and do your own measurements since you can't "measure twice" in this case, so you will have to live with the false sense of security that you went over the build sheet, you have to have some trust in that the shop did the work right.

 

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