interesting bad built motor thread on G35driver.......
very interesting and informing thread. my sympathy goes out to all of those who have had to go through this. I know first hand whats it like to be without your car for six+ long months. I am currently running a sleeved 3.8 GTM motor and it has been running well (and the funny thing is Julian tuned it)... I got my fingures crossed after this thread, jesus so many failures. best regards to all the vitcims I hope a conclusion is reached very soon for everyones sake
Ive always done oil changes on all my cars. The Z was not the first car I built. When I would drain the oil I always inspect the magnetic drain plug. I know whats normal and whats excessive and seeing the particulate led me to Blackstone. It proved something was up the reports verified it. Spewing coolant at 3500 miles at Z day Z and being told it is normal is also fawked up. The Z community has been lead to believe its normal to purge these coolant systems as often as oil changes and that is dead wrong.
Ive always done oil changes on all my cars. The Z was not the first car I built. When I would drain the oil I always inspect the magnetic drain plug. I know whats normal and whats excessive and seeing the particulate led me to Blackstone. It proved something was up the reports verified it. Spewing coolant at 3500 miles at Z day Z and being told it is normal is also fawked up. The Z community has been lead to believe its normal to purge these coolant systems as often as oil changes and that is dead wrong.
Now is probably the BEST time to buy a GTM motor. I bet that thing is checked and double checked before its shipped out.
Could you imagine if it failed? wow!
I have a built GTM engine on order right now. It's probably being built as we speak after waiting for 10:1 CR pistons....so I should have at least some reason or concern to weigh in. I'm trying to stay out of specifics with these cases in this thread because I really don't know anything about them. I just don't want people disregarding my opinion as a "GTM nuthugger" because I've had a good experience with them.
Could you imagine if it failed? wow!
I have a built GTM engine on order right now. It's probably being built as we speak after waiting for 10:1 CR pistons....so I should have at least some reason or concern to weigh in. I'm trying to stay out of specifics with these cases in this thread because I really don't know anything about them. I just don't want people disregarding my opinion as a "GTM nuthugger" because I've had a good experience with them.
I have a GTM story of mine own but it fails in comparison to these other stories.
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i wouldn't be so sure,the only reasons i can think of for what we are seeing are either deceptive marketing or incompetence,both ways you don't want what they got.btwy i have noticed a vrt'ish silence maybe this is not so far off.but i guess when you are caught,what can you say?one motor you can point fingers,two motors....maybe tech problems,but this snowball has been running down hill for a long time.
We are awaiting the final report on r0meys motor.
It doesn't really matter what we say in response to the accusations because it is very clear that most of you have made up your mind.
We will still respond again, I don't see how the first response didn't answer many of the questions being rehashed, I can only assuming it wasn't read, rather skimmed threw.
I am sorry you guys feel that way you do, we have already said numerous times that if it is something on our end we will take care of it, but no one really cares about that.
We will post a final response today to tomorrow, depending on when time permits.
Thank you.
-George
It doesn't really matter what we say in response to the accusations because it is very clear that most of you have made up your mind.
We will still respond again, I don't see how the first response didn't answer many of the questions being rehashed, I can only assuming it wasn't read, rather skimmed threw.
I am sorry you guys feel that way you do, we have already said numerous times that if it is something on our end we will take care of it, but no one really cares about that.
We will post a final response today to tomorrow, depending on when time permits.
Thank you.
-George
well, I still say the engines in question are still in the process of being handled and everyone should just wait and see how it pans out.
It's a shame the customers have to go through all this crap, but that's just how car modding is sometimes.
In the end, if the customers come out reasonably satisfied with how it was handled and it seems fair, IMO that's all anyone can hope for.
I think it's only reasonable to give GTM a chance to make things right if it turns out that they were at fault. That's the policy I've always followed.
It's a shame the customers have to go through all this crap, but that's just how car modding is sometimes.
In the end, if the customers come out reasonably satisfied with how it was handled and it seems fair, IMO that's all anyone can hope for.
I think it's only reasonable to give GTM a chance to make things right if it turns out that they were at fault. That's the policy I've always followed.
Last edited by sentry65; Oct 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM.
So true.
Read this thread. Do the math. Do you think some of these people are not just seeing you for what you are to them (ie. a paycheck)?
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...rocharger.html
Dude just wants a safe, reliable setup without going for crazy power. George stumbles all over himself trying to convince a guy he needs a $2k+ Haltech to control a fawking $3k procharger kit, or else his car is going to stumble, stall, blow up, kill his first born, etc. A utec is simply unthinkable.
I mean honestly.. People see these responses and think "Well, this guy knows his ****, I better suck it up and show him the money". Then they see the 50 nutswingers reinforcing his point. Then there are a few trying to fight the power, but how can our rep hold up against this? It doesn't. I've been saying for a year now that I dont have any of the standard Utec issues - despite running "big" injectors and despite being tuned by some little shop out of portland, OR that is not on this site. Still, its not like my opinion will hold anywhere near as much value to people as someone who is trying to sell them something, and stands to make a profit while doing it. Reality must come into play here guys - not everyone is trying to set records or raise the bar. Some just want what works, and what they can afford without going into hoc for some shop.
Thats how stuff like mandatory sleeves, huge headstuds, extreme duty pistons happens. Because the shops will it to be so, and the masses follow them. Only when people suffer and share, do we learn the truth. We are making progress, but a lot of people have taken the hit to the wallet in the process as we all have seen.
EVERYTHING from EVERYONE with a highlighted user name on this site should be taken with a grain of salt. Are there good people among them? Certainly! There are also those who will bleed you dry. You have to use judgement! We have to share the truth. We have to stop the politics, and people MUST stop sticking up for shops just because they've had good experiences with them when their experiences with them are not relevant to the situation at hand.
Read this thread. Do the math. Do you think some of these people are not just seeing you for what you are to them (ie. a paycheck)?
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...rocharger.html
Dude just wants a safe, reliable setup without going for crazy power. George stumbles all over himself trying to convince a guy he needs a $2k+ Haltech to control a fawking $3k procharger kit, or else his car is going to stumble, stall, blow up, kill his first born, etc. A utec is simply unthinkable.
I mean honestly.. People see these responses and think "Well, this guy knows his ****, I better suck it up and show him the money". Then they see the 50 nutswingers reinforcing his point. Then there are a few trying to fight the power, but how can our rep hold up against this? It doesn't. I've been saying for a year now that I dont have any of the standard Utec issues - despite running "big" injectors and despite being tuned by some little shop out of portland, OR that is not on this site. Still, its not like my opinion will hold anywhere near as much value to people as someone who is trying to sell them something, and stands to make a profit while doing it. Reality must come into play here guys - not everyone is trying to set records or raise the bar. Some just want what works, and what they can afford without going into hoc for some shop.
Thats how stuff like mandatory sleeves, huge headstuds, extreme duty pistons happens. Because the shops will it to be so, and the masses follow them. Only when people suffer and share, do we learn the truth. We are making progress, but a lot of people have taken the hit to the wallet in the process as we all have seen.
EVERYTHING from EVERYONE with a highlighted user name on this site should be taken with a grain of salt. Are there good people among them? Certainly! There are also those who will bleed you dry. You have to use judgement! We have to share the truth. We have to stop the politics, and people MUST stop sticking up for shops just because they've had good experiences with them when their experiences with them are not relevant to the situation at hand.
1. I wasn't trying to sell him anything. I was just voicing my opinion on what I think would be the right thing to do.
Why spend the money on a UTEC, when you will have to most likely upgrade to something like a Haltech or VPro down the line? The consumer will just lose more money.
2. A car with a Haltech or VPro will run better/smoother than with a UTEC, sorry but 10x10 resolution is inadequate.
3. Why wouldn't we sell him a UTEC, we are TurboXS dealers!
I guess this is what happens when I voice my true honest opinion, I get attacked.
Its very difficult to help the community when all you do is get attacked for the GTM haters, who from what I can see, most have never even dealt with and are going off speculation and hearsay, nice :thumb up:
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well, I still say the engines in question are still in the process of being handled and everyone should just wait and see how it pans out.
It's a shame the customers have to go through all this crap, but that's just how car modding is sometimes.
In the end, if the customers come out reasonably satisfied with how it was handled, IMO that's all anyone can hope for.
It's a shame the customers have to go through all this crap, but that's just how car modding is sometimes.
In the end, if the customers come out reasonably satisfied with how it was handled, IMO that's all anyone can hope for.
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hey rome everything is rather well (except for coming across this thread lol) how is everything with you? thats funny you were in brick if your ever in the area again you should hit me up and come check out the ride.. anyways hang in there bro I know what a long hard road you have been down. I hope you get everything sorted out asap and get back to cruising your whip. Maybe we can do some cruising when you get it buttoned up. good luck
p.s i was thinking of selling the g but i love it too much, have to much invest in it, have not had any problems yet (knock on wood) and do not want to mod another car to this extent. But being the mod addict i am thats what would happen if i sold the G and bought another whip. So the g will be my modded monster and im looking for a new d.d right now...umm maybe the new m3 their sickkk
p.s i was thinking of selling the g but i love it too much, have to much invest in it, have not had any problems yet (knock on wood) and do not want to mod another car to this extent. But being the mod addict i am thats what would happen if i sold the G and bought another whip. So the g will be my modded monster and im looking for a new d.d right now...umm maybe the new m3 their sickkk
listen,i know you like gtm and all,but regardless of all the inspection's in the world you need to only know one thing about the whole story.gtm cliams 2% failure rate right?considering the motors in question and everyone who has come foward this forum has exceeded 2% of sams # of 200 engines.we can't ask other non forum owners but i'm guessing there might be a few more unhappy's out there.....but he has exceed his own claimed percentage in this thread alone,just think about it.
sure, but it's still speculation. I'm sure they're only aware of what's been reported back to them.
I have no idea how many customers that didn't report their that their engine failed - especially after thousands and thousands of miles with high power, tracking, and abuse. For exampeI certainly wouldn't call up BF Goodrich if their tires only lasted me 1000 miles worth of track time.
How are those cases different than taking an OEM sports car, doing a non-stop 24 hour race circuit, then taking it back to nissan and trying to get it fixed under warranty? If GTM manufactured these engines wrong, give them a chance to make it right. The report hasn't come back yet.
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We are awaiting the final report on r0meys motor.
It doesn't really matter what we say in response to the accusations because it is very clear that most of you have made up your mind.
We will still respond again, I don't see how the first response didn't answer many of the questions being rehashed, I can only assuming it wasn't read, rather skimmed threw.
I am sorry you guys feel that way you do, we have already said numerous times that if it is something on our end we will take care of it, but no one really cares about that.
We will post a final response today to tomorrow, depending on when time permits.
Thank you.
-George
It doesn't really matter what we say in response to the accusations because it is very clear that most of you have made up your mind.
We will still respond again, I don't see how the first response didn't answer many of the questions being rehashed, I can only assuming it wasn't read, rather skimmed threw.
I am sorry you guys feel that way you do, we have already said numerous times that if it is something on our end we will take care of it, but no one really cares about that.
We will post a final response today to tomorrow, depending on when time permits.
Thank you.
-George
Then I'm assuming you and Sam didn't read and only skimmed through posts #157 and 163. I have yet to see you or Sam directly speak to the specifics contained in that 3rd party report on Vino's motor.It's BS that both of you can find the time to post in here to attack Julian's professionalism and respond to others' posts, but choose to ignore the 3rd party inspection report contained in the OP of Julian's thread.
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i know that's the whole catch 22,the pattern has become it's never gtm's fault.if you present facts,your a lier.if you present pic's,they where doctored.if you catch them in lying,they don't respond to your post.when you ask tech questions that would prove your point they attack your credibility.i don't know man,i'm just trying to save you from yourself.after this post i give up on you and wish you all the best.
i know that's the whole catch 22,the pattern has become it's never gtm's fault.if you present facts,your a lier.if you present pic's,they where doctored.if you catch them in lying,they don't respond to your post.when you ask tech questions that would prove your point they attack your credibility.i don't know man,i'm just trying to save you from yourself.after this post i give up on you and wish you all the best.
Yeah, I know. I'm sure everyone appreciates the warning, but at the same time if I based my decisions off of the most unhappy customers and rumors from each shop, I probably wouldn't step foot in any shop ever.
Ok, below is the oil analysis. You can clearly see the lead get worse and worse and especially the aluminum (pistons) I wonder why my pistons were skuffed to hell, couldnt have been from improper machining though-no way...I'll also attach a link explaining what the different metals mean FYI.
And a pic of the metal from the 5th and last oil change I did on GTM's engine. Now notice the content in comparison to the FIRST (ie. dirty) oil change on the Forged motor. Already we see an improvement. I'll have a second analysis for this engine soon.
Take from it what you will, ata is data, clearly with contents increasing something was wrong in the first place and we all know car problems dont get any better with time, we see this by the direct comparison between the first and last oil change on the GTM motor, and the last oil only had 800 miles on it!!!!
LINK TO EXPLANATION OF CONTENT----> http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gasol...port_expl.html
Can you say metal in oil with only 800 miles?
And a pic of the metal from the 5th and last oil change I did on GTM's engine. Now notice the content in comparison to the FIRST (ie. dirty) oil change on the Forged motor. Already we see an improvement. I'll have a second analysis for this engine soon.
Take from it what you will, ata is data, clearly with contents increasing something was wrong in the first place and we all know car problems dont get any better with time, we see this by the direct comparison between the first and last oil change on the GTM motor, and the last oil only had 800 miles on it!!!!
LINK TO EXPLANATION OF CONTENT----> http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gasol...port_expl.html
Can you say metal in oil with only 800 miles?