interesting bad built motor thread on G35driver.......
I talked to Sam today regarding my engine and all this. I don't share your questions.
I ask if any of these questionable engines are sleeved because no one seems to know how many engines we're talking here or what they are. Many here act like they know things, but they won't share it. That seems fishy
I ask if any of these questionable engines are sleeved because no one seems to know how many engines we're talking here or what they are. Many here act like they know things, but they won't share it. That seems fishy
Your being fooled. Sam knows of the failures. I mean look at George he says a HG blowing isnt an engine failure, by those standards nothing will be a "failure", no wonder they "only" have a 2% failure rate
Why should a select few of us put everybody's info on blast when he can man up and look into what is causing it. I only know of failures on sleeved motors, Im not arguing for or against any other offering they can provide. Instead you think we are fishy? Your mentailty will eventually lead you to empty pockets my friend.
OR Maybe I was just giving him my honest opinion?
1. I don't care what he buys or doesn't buy or anyone for that matter from GTM. It doesn't affect me in ANYWAY!
2. What products Sam sells and tunes are up to him.
3. Your happy with your UTEC, that is fine. Maybe I am just to picky. I am sure if I drove your car I would fine a number of things I would consider inadequate.
1. I don't care what he buys or doesn't buy or anyone for that matter from GTM. It doesn't affect me in ANYWAY!
2. What products Sam sells and tunes are up to him.
3. Your happy with your UTEC, that is fine. Maybe I am just to picky. I am sure if I drove your car I would fine a number of things I would consider inadequate.
ROFL that you claim you don't care.If that's true and since you are not an employee of GTM, maybe the admins should no longer allow you to have sponsor status.
As a sponsor, your personal opinion can be mistaken or interpretted as GTM's official stance on a product, topic, or issue.
Originally Posted by George @ GTM
4. Alberto's engine - We were told its not on our end, despite Alberto's side of the story, what are we suppose to do when we are told its not out fault?
I want GTM to try to explain why the OA on the block GTM built came out the way it did.
I then want somebody at GTM, to admit, that something could have been machined, measured, installed, etc wrong. That is the fair thing to say-with the OA proof what else can you say? I dont want anything from you guys other than to admit your faults, and for the sake of others try to keep a closer tab on things. Pride is Sam's downfall...
Instead you keep going back to the "what can we do now?" BS like you give a crap. Do you expect me to believe that when my motor failed Sharif simply told Sam "its not on you" and Sam washed his hands clean? He didnt wonder or care why it failed? The answer is no, Sharif telling him that gave Sam a way out.
Im giving you guys a chance to explain the OA, even though its clear the block wasnt correct from the start. And your wrong about the sleeved 500whp builds surviving, perhaps the 500whp sleeved builds you do for your California show car customers that never see redline or track use survive. For people that use the blocks for what they are for, and at half the advertised limits they fail miserably.
GTM sounds like they have more issues then just engines failing, since apparently Sam is selling products that George considers inadequate.
And nice jab at my car George; I sure that there are a bunch of things about it that you would consider inadequate. But unlike some of your customer's cars, at least mine runs.
And nice jab at my car George; I sure that there are a bunch of things about it that you would consider inadequate. But unlike some of your customer's cars, at least mine runs.
finally someone stood up and answered
not anymore since you've answered the question - or what you've heard anyway.
it seemed like a weird cover up if people knew it was sleeved engines that failed, but were too busy blanket flaming GTM (warranted or not) to notice or admit it
to everyone:
so are there any reports of any failed non-sleeved engines from GTM?
I'm sure there's gotta be a few out there that have blown or had major issues....can anyone name some?
Otherwise I'm going to chalk up any of those GTM engine issues to having something to do with sleeving as a root issue - regardless of who actually messed those engines up.
Last edited by sentry65; Oct 28, 2008 at 04:42 PM.
I understand where you are coming from Jorge. The product is rated at 1000hp because it is capable of it. Now for someone to think they can make 1000hp and daily drive their car is something else. I am sure you will agree with me that has power output increases, reliability decreases. Which is why the builds that last the longest are the ones around 500rwhp.
I sleeved my engine, did I sell my self? Did I want to spend the extra $2K? No. But so far I am happy, my car made 700rwhp at just 17 psi with water only. So far no issues, I have been beating the **** out of the car and its holding up great.
I have been re-reading the posts, and I can see how it seems that we are trying to shift the blame, but we are really just defending ourselves, I mean look at how many people are attacking us?
Let me try to explain my point of view Jorge, hopefully you can see where I am coming from old friend
1. Vino's engine - We are not saying we didn't make a mistake, we are saying we need to inspect the motor so we can warranty it. But if you are an engine builder, and an engine is ran low on oil, and you know this is fact. Would you warranty it? Again not blaming just giving perspective.
2. Zoni's engine - we accepted fault on that and stated what we would provide to rectify the problem.
3. r0mey's engine - Still to be determined who is at fault
4. Alberto's engine - We were told its not on our end, despite Alberto's side of the story, what are we suppose to do when we are told its not out fault?
5. BamBam's engine - Sam told me they just replaced the head gaskets and that was it, at no point in time did Sharif tell Sam there is something wrong with this engine we are going to send it back.
6. Alex's Engine - There thermostat and gaskets were all replaced by a shop in Canada, I do not know which one. Again no one told us about a concern with the engine.
Do you see what I mean Jorge? I am just trying to give our perspective on the situation. But every post I make ends up being interpreted differently than my intentions. Therefore I am going to give up for today, again
-George
I sleeved my engine, did I sell my self? Did I want to spend the extra $2K? No. But so far I am happy, my car made 700rwhp at just 17 psi with water only. So far no issues, I have been beating the **** out of the car and its holding up great.
I have been re-reading the posts, and I can see how it seems that we are trying to shift the blame, but we are really just defending ourselves, I mean look at how many people are attacking us?
Let me try to explain my point of view Jorge, hopefully you can see where I am coming from old friend
1. Vino's engine - We are not saying we didn't make a mistake, we are saying we need to inspect the motor so we can warranty it. But if you are an engine builder, and an engine is ran low on oil, and you know this is fact. Would you warranty it? Again not blaming just giving perspective.
2. Zoni's engine - we accepted fault on that and stated what we would provide to rectify the problem.
3. r0mey's engine - Still to be determined who is at fault
4. Alberto's engine - We were told its not on our end, despite Alberto's side of the story, what are we suppose to do when we are told its not out fault?
5. BamBam's engine - Sam told me they just replaced the head gaskets and that was it, at no point in time did Sharif tell Sam there is something wrong with this engine we are going to send it back.
6. Alex's Engine - There thermostat and gaskets were all replaced by a shop in Canada, I do not know which one. Again no one told us about a concern with the engine.
Do you see what I mean Jorge? I am just trying to give our perspective on the situation. But every post I make ends up being interpreted differently than my intentions. Therefore I am going to give up for today, again
-George
I know for a fact that this is COMPLETELY untrue. The motor was apart for months and numerous attempts were made to reassemble this motor before getting sent out (not to you). The parts to reassemble AFTER the re machining could ONLY come from you. FYI.
Also, so you're running 700 hp on your sleeved motor and beat on it and it runs great. So if someone else beats on one and it fails miserably and VERY prematurely it turns to "it's not my fault" "we didn't do 100% of the work so it must not be".... But yet one of your most reputable dealers did the work and you you know they took extra care with it given the expected output and expectations of the customer.
Last edited by Driven1; Oct 28, 2008 at 05:19 PM.
This is NOT true. This motor was completely disassembled, remachined, etc and you know this. Actually the shop who redid it is still holding the bill as far as I know.
I don't get the "overheating" concept. In Bam Bams case for instance...If it's being run hard all temps are perfect being constantly monitored(the runs were done early morning there prior to the heat, I was there) NO signs of ANY detonation or preignition on the logs whatsoever and all of a sudden coolant is spewwing all over the windshield out of the vented hood? How does this happen?
So who found Nitrouz's "bad thermostat"? How many times did it overheat? What did he see temps wise? I can't imagine him (being as how beautifully well maintained he kept that car) not shutting the car down at the FIRST sign of something wrong.
But on Alberto's origional sleeved then...who installed the heads? Im assuming you're blaming them?
I don't get the "overheating" concept. In Bam Bams case for instance...If it's being run hard all temps are perfect being constantly monitored(the runs were done early morning there prior to the heat, I was there) NO signs of ANY detonation or preignition on the logs whatsoever and all of a sudden coolant is spewwing all over the windshield out of the vented hood? How does this happen?
So who found Nitrouz's "bad thermostat"? How many times did it overheat? What did he see temps wise? I can't imagine him (being as how beautifully well maintained he kept that car) not shutting the car down at the FIRST sign of something wrong.
But on Alberto's origional sleeved then...who installed the heads? Im assuming you're blaming them?
Apparently you missed this...can you explain the spewing of coolant prior to the "overheating" you're blaming everything on. Im willing to bet quite a few others' had the same thing happen...then once they say it overheated (still trying to find the cause of this magical "overheating" that is the responsibility of the customer) you defer fault/responsibility off of yourself...how convenient.
Like I said before just to be clear. I dont have the report yet.
Im anxious to find out why my second built motor didnt fire on start up. As I stated both parties agree whoever is at fault to completely 100 percent stand behind their work and get me back on the road at no out of pocket expense to me with no questions asked no EXCUSES MADE. . Both parties agreed to the shop and both agreed it was unbias. Since this motor had nothing to do with me failing apon start up. I will post the results tommorrow to whoever is at fault and what they are gonna do. I hope both parties keep their verbal agreement with me as they stated
Im anxious to find out why my second built motor didnt fire on start up. As I stated both parties agree whoever is at fault to completely 100 percent stand behind their work and get me back on the road at no out of pocket expense to me with no questions asked no EXCUSES MADE. . Both parties agreed to the shop and both agreed it was unbias. Since this motor had nothing to do with me failing apon start up. I will post the results tommorrow to whoever is at fault and what they are gonna do. I hope both parties keep their verbal agreement with me as they stated
Last edited by r0mey; Oct 28, 2008 at 05:17 PM.
Like I said before just to be clear. I dont have the report yet.
Im anxious to find out why my second built motor didnt fire on start up. As I stated both parties agree whoever is at fault to completely 100 percent stand behind their work and get me back on the road at no out of pocket expense to me. Since this motor had nothing to do with me failing apon start up. I will post the results tommorrow to whoever is at fault and what they are gonna do. I hope both parties keep their verbal agreement with me as they stated
Im anxious to find out why my second built motor didnt fire on start up. As I stated both parties agree whoever is at fault to completely 100 percent stand behind their work and get me back on the road at no out of pocket expense to me. Since this motor had nothing to do with me failing apon start up. I will post the results tommorrow to whoever is at fault and what they are gonna do. I hope both parties keep their verbal agreement with me as they stated
i dont think either shop whoever is at fault wants to back out of their verbal agreement now. I could be wrong but hey if they do and it falls on me trust me the community will be told
thank you!
finally someone stood up and answered
not anymore since you've answered the question - or what you've heard anyway.
it seemed like a weird cover up if people knew it was sleeved engines that failed, but were too busy blanket flaming GTM (warranted or not) to notice or admit it
to everyone:
so are there any reports of any failed non-sleeved engines from GTM?
I'm sure there's gotta be a few out there that have blown or had major issues....can anyone name some?
Otherwise I'm going to chalk up any of those GTM engine issues to having something to do with sleeving as a root issue - regardless of who actually messed those engines up.
finally someone stood up and answered
not anymore since you've answered the question - or what you've heard anyway.
it seemed like a weird cover up if people knew it was sleeved engines that failed, but were too busy blanket flaming GTM (warranted or not) to notice or admit it
to everyone:
so are there any reports of any failed non-sleeved engines from GTM?
I'm sure there's gotta be a few out there that have blown or had major issues....can anyone name some?
Otherwise I'm going to chalk up any of those GTM engine issues to having something to do with sleeving as a root issue - regardless of who actually messed those engines up.