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07-23-2009, 02:10 PM
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Ok.....I mixed my own W/M at 50 /50 and the Meth I got at the race shop [ I was told ] might damage the paint . Maybe I took him wrong and it was the 100% meth that might hurt the paint .
My tank leaked off and one the whole time I had it . It was installed correctly too .
My tank leaked off and one the whole time I had it . It was installed correctly too .
07-23-2009, 06:16 PM
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I have a friend that is using the OEM windshield washer tank for over 2 years without a problem. I've had mine for 1 1/2 year and no leak what so ever. I like using the windshield washer tank coz it has its own fluid level sensor that light up on the dashboard and I dont need another tank that will take up space.
07-28-2009, 06:17 AM
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I am planning to install HFS-6 in next week. What size injector do you guys use and where did you guys put it? I have seem injector size calculator from evolutionm.net, but just wanna know what you guys are using. I am planning using 50/50
APS TT with DW 600cc (14psi)
APS TT with DW 600cc (14psi)
I now know where to start. Where did you put your injetors?
07-29-2009, 06:01 AM
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I have always put meth nozzles close to the TB. It's not nitrous. I position meth nozzles about 3 inches from the TB. Nitrous nozzles on the other hand should be around 6 inches from TB. Water/Meth will evaporate before your TB if u position it to far. And you will not get results you are looking for.
07-29-2009, 06:04 AM
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So say I'm running 11.1-11.4 AFR on pump gas right now. I add the meth and when I see 10.1-10.4 I stop adding meth. Do I now pull fuel until it gets back to 11.1-11.4?
07-29-2009, 06:11 AM
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You mean after the MAF, so the MAF doesn't get sprayed I presume. If you have a recirc BOV (JWT kits), keep in mind that you'd likely want to spray after that as well (or you'd dump W/M into the compressor intake between shifts).
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07-29-2009, 06:14 AM
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Correct you will need to take away fuel. I always just ran a meth map. No big deal just make sure your tank is allways full. If not you will get some serious knock counts. And that depends on how aggressive your timing is. I can't wait till I get another meth setup. But will be running straight meth on two maps this go around.
07-29-2009, 06:29 AM
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I know this is off topic. But how do you guys think meth would act on a E85 fuel system setup. They say E85 burns cooler so you can add more timing. But I wonder what the combination of both would do. Any ideas.
07-29-2009, 08:17 AM
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yup, thats how you do it.
YOu can pull it back to around 12's and advance the timing 3-6*. You'd need a dyno to really help you there though.
so where does this evaporated meth/water go? Oh right, straight into the plenum. Its not an open system. YOu want it to evaporate. That what takes the heat away. Google enthalpy of vaporization if you want to learn more.
They are both alcohol fuels. It would be redundant.
YOu can pull it back to around 12's and advance the timing 3-6*. You'd need a dyno to really help you there though.
so where does this evaporated meth/water go? Oh right, straight into the plenum. Its not an open system. YOu want it to evaporate. That what takes the heat away. Google enthalpy of vaporization if you want to learn more.
I have always put meth nozzles close to the TB. It's not nitrous. I position meth nozzles about 3 inches from the TB. Nitrous nozzles on the other hand should be around 6 inches from TB. Water/Meth will evaporate before your TB if u position it to far. And you will not get results you are looking for.
I know this is off topic. But how do you guys think meth would act on a E85 fuel system setup. They say E85 burns cooler so you can add more timing. But I wonder what the combination of both would do. Any ideas.
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07-29-2009, 10:03 AM
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Methanol: 101
This is a quote from a Snow Tech:
"The longer the fluid is present in the air intake tract the longer it has to pull heat from the air charge. This is great for reducing IATs but this limits how much fluid gets into the combustion chamber where it acts as a fuel and detonation suppresant. We generically recommend that the nozzle be placed before the throttle body or throttle plate that way it has some time to reduce IATs and still act as a fuel."
"The longer the fluid is present in the air intake tract the longer it has to pull heat from the air charge. This is great for reducing IATs but this limits how much fluid gets into the combustion chamber where it acts as a fuel and detonation suppresant. We generically recommend that the nozzle be placed before the throttle body or throttle plate that way it has some time to reduce IATs and still act as a fuel."
07-29-2009, 10:11 AM
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A little more
"In regards to the nozzle placement for cooling versus consumption as a fuel: We have a generic recommendation that the nozzle be placed before the throttle body. This usually provides a "happy medium" that allows for IAT reductions and increased detonation control. The closer you are to the combustion chamber the more the fluid acts as a fuel and the farther away from the combustion chamber the more the fluid acts as an intercooler. Data logging and tuning are normally the best way to determine optimal nozzle placement for your specific application.
In regards to nozzle selection: it is correct in that we base the injection quantity off of a percentage of primary fuel flow. Our nozzle selection guide (and any other guide) is exactly that: a guide. There is nothing absolute in the information we provide regarding nozzle selection because there are so many variable at play on different applications. We can get you close but final tuning is up to the end user."
In regards to nozzle selection: it is correct in that we base the injection quantity off of a percentage of primary fuel flow. Our nozzle selection guide (and any other guide) is exactly that: a guide. There is nothing absolute in the information we provide regarding nozzle selection because there are so many variable at play on different applications. We can get you close but final tuning is up to the end user."
09-03-2009, 06:10 PM
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I would say just because the closer you put it into the combustion chamber the more it is going to act like a fuel. Because it is still in more of a liquid form. And of course would lead to pulling tons of fuel out of your cells, ems, whatever you have to make up the difference in AFR's.
The further away meaning way down the intake pipe or in the intercooler the spray, when under boost it is being sprayed faster and just misting through the intake pipe or pipes giving more of a cooling effect.