Ernie,

I am going to talk to the pump manufacture and send the picture over to him asap and see what the hell he can do for you.When Johhny was saying a wax o-ring I though tit was something else he was reffering to but the pictures tells me it is something different then what I thought altogether.

 

Glad to see things work out!

 

After further thought, you are so right. Just buy the parts from who ever has the best deal. Take them to a shop and say "here now my whole car is your problem cause you touched it last." I think we know who is living in the utopian ideals.

 

Thanks Tim. That pump was expensive and lasted a whole 30 mins maybe... probably closer to 15 mins.

 

Well said.......I dont have to ask Raj...I know this is what he ment to say....When I said the "Customer" should only use one shop...I did not mean that the shop is not aloud or will not outsource.

When I give FP my car and FP supplies the parts and if said parts fail....FP does the leg work....if I supply the parts and they fail...FP does not have to do anything...they might....but its your parts that failed...not FP....especially if its a part they told you would not be up to par in the first place.


I am totally against a cutomer going to shop "A" directly themselves...buying a motor...and then customer takes motor to shop "B"...Then customer takes car from shop"B" and brings it to shops "C" for tuning...Thats asking for trouble.

There should only be a shop"A".....let them do the outsourcing if needed.


Lets use injectors as an example because this has happened before......

You the customer brings the injectors to a shop....The shop tells you that they dont like those injectors....the other parts are ok...but the injectors suck.....You tell the shop that you saved yourself $300. The shop installs them and the injectos fail.......now who does the leg work??? This maybe a brand that the shop has ZERO relationship with....so you get major runaround......lets say the injectors took the motor with it!!!??? Its not worth it guys....the few hundred you save up front is not worth the thousands you have to spend later..

 

i am almost 100% on this actually...not fully... I understand there are different circunstances due to a moving to a new location(rare), or DIYs (kinda like this case)


I am glad the OP and Tim have worked things out.... i knew this would be the outcome, it just bothered me it had to come to this first, but, lets hope for the very best things as things move forward, its good to see that most of us understand that we must raise the level of quality and service specially to good people/customers in this comunity....and i think thats been made clear in this thread.

 

I agree totally.

Thank goodness this looks to have a positive ending. GL to both parties.

 

More information about the scavenge pump for Ernie and Johnny.Basically the oil temp was so hot that the components melted because they were way beyond their working limits.Here is the message I received form the manufacturer.

Hi Tim,
that does not look good

there are no wax components in the pump
the diaphragms that are pictured (white/cream colored) are good for sustained 240 degrees and occasional romps up to 300.
I think it is heat failure but it could be a combination of a certain type of oil plus a high temp. I have one that looked vaguely similar and it was a guy pumping biodiesel.
If this is a turbo kit that you manufacture and if you have been using our pump with it....then something doesn't jive as the failure is severe enough (especially if it failed in 30 minutes) that every pump you supply would be failing.
I've attached an image of one that failed after 36 months, 48K miles on a single turbo mustang. The fellow told me it let go when he started doing a lot of dyno shootouts...so I dunno...maybe that elevated the temps too far. You can see that my example is far, far less severe. If your customer is the only one with this failure i would suppose that there is something unique in the way he has the oil line routing or if the turbo runs super hot it might be super heating the oil. I'm just guessing here without being able to actually see the setup. I have seen the metal fittings with tubes run so close to the exhaust that they conduct heat back and distort the polymer head units.But they would fail before the diaphragms in your example.
Bottom line, it is not wax......it looks like extreme heat failure to me, how he got it that hot is the question that must be answered because he'll destroy the diaphragm again if the oil temp isn't brought into line.
jim

 

holy ****

 

I know what you are saying.... I was really talking about customers like you me, Eric and others that are not into DIY..... Not Ernie. It seems that Ernie has a talent with cars that I am lacking.

After reading Tim"s post above... It looks like someone put this car through hell.... What is the name of this transport company????? The members on here deserve to know so that they don't experience the same hell!!!!!....give us the name please.

 

If someone beat the everlasting hell out of it for 50 miles could that possibly heat the oil up that much?

 

Yes

 

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bah , +1000 on name of transport company lol

 

So the scavenge pump is for the turbo system correct? Is this specific to the SFR kits or an upgrade to their kits? I am just trying to understand the setup so I can rule out that this may have been related to my failures in any way. Thanks.

 

^^hey cass this would have nothing to do with your failure. This scavenge pump is on the SFR kit bc the turbos are mounted low and the oil can not be returned by gravity. it needs the pump to pump the returning oil into the pan.

 

 

so after the pump makers reply, extreme motor abuse seems to make alot of sense. I feel ALOT of apologizes to Tim will be in order from many of the posters in this thread.

 

I have been reading this since day 1 and glad to see that things are working out. Was the mileage on the car documented when it was dropped off OP? Has this mystery 50 miles been confirmed as you would know how many miles are on the car now and how far you have driven and how many Tim told you it left with? If the car was on a truck the whole time from point A to point B then there should be 0 miles extra. If the shipping company did not provide a pick up and drop off mileage confirmation then I would think they could be held accountable for this. I would think if you have some witnesses along with Tim it would be worth going after them at some point in time.

 

A HUGE +1.

It is sad that some can just sit back and blast away without knowing all of the facts.