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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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i still say, just put 3 pumps in and call it a day......can run anything then
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by thom000001
i still say, just put 3 pumps in and call it a day......can run anything then
u bad boy
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
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Hey! At least someone gets it!

The point is that some have argued that a Walbro 255 CANNOT obtain the power level. I WAS THE ONE that pointed out the other factors that they completely ignored in their factually incorrect assumption.

Binder, you have a great understanding of fuel and biochemistry. Thank you for proving our point, (though you thought you were arguing against it).

Nomyth- I'm not upset. I don't get emotional over something like this, I just wanted to clearly make my point that you were ignoring a lot of factors. For instance, the Pro-EFI will stop the head lift if the fuel pressure drops. In fact, this is exactly what was happening when I had low fuel levels. The fuel pressure was dropping from 48 to 35, but the Pro-EFI kept it from detonating and kept the A/F ratio where it should be. This is a major part of what prevented any head lift. Also, the L19's are incredible and do prevent head lift as well. Your statements were:
"the car wouldn't get two miles down the road until the heads started making their way north of the block."
AND
"you can make that # for like one pass on a dyno but you won't be albe (sic) to drive the car down the street without the engine coming apart or make multiple pass on the dyno or at the strip"

5,000+ miles over the course of 2 years
approximately a dozen (estimated from memory) 1/4 mile passes at high boost
No head lift
No detonation problems

Now...I did switch to the twin fuel pump, and I assure you it was not free! I spent a considerable sum of money on my build (over $65,000) and felt that the twin pump setup is a more reliable build and it allowed my tuner to be more aggressive with the tuning. He just called me while I was typing this to give me an update. You can clearly see massive improvements.

Previous low boost setting~ 14.7 PSI ~525WHP
New low boost setting~9PSI (spring pressure) ~450WHP (estimated, no dyno yet)

I certainly am not arguing that a single pump is sufficient for most high HP builds. I am merely demonstrating that the single pump CAN reach 700WHP, as it did for me and several others; that it can do so without head lift; that it can do so on the street and the track, not just on a dyno; and that running higher octane fuel does not mean that the single pump is now suddenly 2 pumps, rather you overlooked the details of my build before you made the contradictory statements.

It is commonly thrown around in this industry that a Walbro 255 is NOT good for more than 550WHP (insert variable number). As binder explained thoroughly, you cannot make claims like this, since there are other factors that greatly influence the WHP obtained with the same fuel pump. Maybe a more accurate way to make the same type of assertion is akin to: "On XX octane, with XXX injectors, etc, etc...a single Walbro 255 will provide reliable fuel pressure up to about YYY WHP." That's a far cry from "The Walbro can't do that! Snozzberries, You are Full of Ish! I know you are lying!...Oh wait, you put some high octane gas in your tank!?!?! That's cheating! That counts as TWO pumps!You have to use 85 Octane and blow up your engine! How dare you use common sense and go with a safer fuel!" (I keed, I keed...sort of)

BTW, Snozzberries!!!! LOL!!! I don't even know what that means, but it's hilarious!
you did........and people don't run C16 race for safety they run it to make more power, its another form of power adder just like nitrous and meth..........my point was on pump gas(91,93) and boost .................but dude whatever your not understanding my point but anywho enjoy your car have fun and i hope everything works out

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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thom000001
i still say, just put 3 pumps in and call it a day......can run anything then

i agree
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 07:33 AM
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nomyth46 is correct. A single walbro 255lph can't make 600 whp, if you don't count gasoline, ignition timing, upgraded cams, or boost controllers.
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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mrg - what did you run/trap @ 700whp?
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 07:57 AM
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I'd hope 130mph+ (at 650rwhp I was spinning through the traps at 129mph on the bouncy stock suspension and 18 DR's)

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mrg - what did you run/trap @ 700whp?
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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600whp on a Greddy kit local (not me) did 132mph spinning in 1st
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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Sounds about right....get a few extra moments of accell due to the spinning in 1st.

Can't wait to grow some ballz and put a sticky tire on this pig lol

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600whp on a Greddy kit local (not me) did 132mph spinning in 1st
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 08:40 AM
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Thats a common misconception-at least it hasnt been that way for me in my experiences. I run faster traps when I hook and accelerate as opposed to spinning and trying to accelerate out of that.
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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yea it does depend how much of course.......
mine is a whole nother level of confusion. I do so little in the 1st 1/8th and then pick up 50mph in the 2nd 1/8th lol........I know, I need a driver mod lol

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Thats a common misconception-at least it hasnt been that way for me in my experiences. I run faster traps when I hook and accelerate as opposed to spinning and trying to accelerate out of that.
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
mrg - what did you run/trap @ 700whp?
I was running with a stock transmission (though we thought it was built). I also ran it on street tires. It wasn't running well and hit the rev limiter like crazy. The transmission failed on 1/4/2009 on my way to Vegas for our anniversary! (See SGP Fail thread for details). Because my car is convertible with no roll cage, I cannot run faster than 13.5 without getting kicked. The track lets me run all out for the 1/8th and then coast through the second half to avoid getting kicked. Even with that, I was running 12.5 and got kicked about 5 times! If I brake at the end, they get mad, but I keep it to 13.2 or so and they let it slide most of the time.

The tuning should be done today or tomorrow and I'll hit the track shortly. I'm going to have slicks on the next run, then when my new wheels and DR's arrive, I'll put my BBK on and run with DR's.
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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When I first read this post I was thinking two girls one cup. Damn that's nasty. Sorry for the OT. If someone were to run one 255 at really low base pressure and 1600cc or bigger injectors with some good headwork and cams they could beat all these numbers. That's how some of the dsm and evo guys are running big numbers on one pump or E85.
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