AIM convo of the day for FI noobs.
AIM convo of the day for FI noobs.
jeffie7 (9:19:31 PM): My car is running perfect outside of a few tuning issues
jeffie7 (9:19:35 PM): it could blow up anyday
jeffie7 (9:19:38 PM): thats a part of life
Shin Sosei (9:19:49 PM): So are you saying even the best built Turbo cars are unstable?
jeffie7 (9:20:07 PM): Research Alberto
jeffie7 (9:20:13 PM): that's your project for tonight
Shin Sosei (9:20:22 PM): I know quite a bit about him.
jeffie7 (9:20:27 PM): Me too =)
jeffie7 (9:20:30 PM): we ride together some times
Shin Sosei (9:20:32 PM): He has one of the fastest TT Z's
Shin Sosei (9:20:40 PM): But it also..****s up a lot?
jeffie7 (9:20:49 PM): "Shin Sosei (9:20:22 PM): I know quite a bit about him."
jeffie7 (9:19:35 PM): it could blow up anyday
jeffie7 (9:19:38 PM): thats a part of life
Shin Sosei (9:19:49 PM): So are you saying even the best built Turbo cars are unstable?
jeffie7 (9:20:07 PM): Research Alberto
jeffie7 (9:20:13 PM): that's your project for tonight
Shin Sosei (9:20:22 PM): I know quite a bit about him.
jeffie7 (9:20:27 PM): Me too =)
jeffie7 (9:20:30 PM): we ride together some times
Shin Sosei (9:20:32 PM): He has one of the fastest TT Z's
Shin Sosei (9:20:40 PM): But it also..****s up a lot?
jeffie7 (9:20:49 PM): "Shin Sosei (9:20:22 PM): I know quite a bit about him."
I don't care if someone puts $30K into a built block, when **** happens it happens!
I expect a full report on Alberto's and while you're at it Cass's builds.
P.S tuning issues = utec at part throttle. Full throttle = full win, at least as much win as you can get with the low HP levels I'm at
i do agree though, $h!t happens, so be prepared
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i disagree. FI is not a time bomb, stupid people make it a time bomb. IMHO a well built turbo car is a more reliable and streetable performance vehicle than say a high compression solid solid roller carbureted big block. And I won't own another daily that won't run 12's at the track
i do agree though, $h!t happens, so be prepared
ross
i do agree though, $h!t happens, so be prepared
ross
I'm gonna go vortech with mine, but it will be my DD. It's gonna be on stock block so I'm gonna do as much as I can to be as safe as possible (water/meth, freer flowing exhaust, good tune etc etc...) I hope it doesn't f-up on me. It's just the power of my car even with a reflash and full exhaust with plenum spacer just isn't enough =(. It's fast but I want it to be rediculous as far as a street car is concerned.
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Jeffie, do you have a wideband? What does it look like part throttle when you're having 'issues'? With the utec you've got only one column to deal with part throttle...that and the closed loop delay. should be an easy fix.
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Jeffie, do you have a wideband? What does it look like part throttle when you're having 'issues'? With the utec you've got only one column to deal with part throttle...that and the closed loop delay. should be an easy fix.
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Last edited by djamps; Apr 26, 2010 at 04:55 AM.
As for the utec, almost everyone I know that runs a boosted 400ish WHP utec car has the same issues as me. most tuners are just pushing to go to Osiris since it's an easy but costly fix VS tunning it correctly. I'm going to allow my tuner to try and clean it up, if he can't get it 100% I'm ditching the utec.
The UTEC even when I was built, did pretty darn good.
Of course the tuner obviously put lots of time to get it right but I was not dissapointed with it at all for the year or so I had it on the built setup.
Perhaps try to have the tune cleaned up instead of moving onto the "cool" thing to do, which right now seems to be switching into Osiris.
edit-FWIW I have never driven a 100% OEM like car, I dont care if its UTEC, FCON, Haltech or XX, YY or ZZ tuner. There is ALWAYS, even if minute, a stumble, a hiccup a rich spot a lean spot. I am VERY picky when it comes to that. Small price to pay for the added power.
Of course the tuner obviously put lots of time to get it right but I was not dissapointed with it at all for the year or so I had it on the built setup.
Perhaps try to have the tune cleaned up instead of moving onto the "cool" thing to do, which right now seems to be switching into Osiris.
edit-FWIW I have never driven a 100% OEM like car, I dont care if its UTEC, FCON, Haltech or XX, YY or ZZ tuner. There is ALWAYS, even if minute, a stumble, a hiccup a rich spot a lean spot. I am VERY picky when it comes to that. Small price to pay for the added power.
Last edited by Alberto; Apr 26, 2010 at 05:28 AM.
i disagree. FI is not a time bomb, stupid people make it a time bomb. IMHO a well built turbo car is a more reliable and streetable performance vehicle than say a high compression solid solid roller carbureted big block. And I won't own another daily that won't run 12's at the track
i do agree though, $h!t happens, so be prepared
ross
i do agree though, $h!t happens, so be prepared
ross
Yes if done 100% right they will last, problem is that never seems to happen. Well, I guess you make 1, how many miles do you have on it and how much WHP are you putting down?
The UTEC even when I was built, did pretty darn good.
Of course the tuner obviously put lots of time to get it right but I was not dissapointed with it at all for the year or so I had it on the built setup.
Perhaps try to have the tune cleaned up instead of moving onto the "cool" thing to do, which right now seems to be switching into Osiris.
Of course the tuner obviously put lots of time to get it right but I was not dissapointed with it at all for the year or so I had it on the built setup.
Perhaps try to have the tune cleaned up instead of moving onto the "cool" thing to do, which right now seems to be switching into Osiris.
Only issues i have with the utec is that damn switch over point. - boost to + boost under very light load will always send the car into a bad stumble.
thankfully while I never drive the car, the few times I do I hardly ever drive it part throttle
Hell in the honda world I blew up 2 fresh engines on the dyno. lol however the 3rd engine never did blow up.
I sold it back to the shop and they made it their track car running it at 570WHP hit every track weekend and drove it daily, owner said he wanted it to blow so he could build bigger but after 2 years he gave up and parted the motor out. the shop even talked about how this damn motor wont blow. Damn B16.
So sometimes you just get lucky.
I sold it back to the shop and they made it their track car running it at 570WHP hit every track weekend and drove it daily, owner said he wanted it to blow so he could build bigger but after 2 years he gave up and parted the motor out. the shop even talked about how this damn motor wont blow. Damn B16.
So sometimes you just get lucky.
I have over 101k Miles on my car and it's been Powerlab'd for 50k miles now and it's a Daily driver with about 400 to the wheels. Don't tell me that FI and Daily drivers are don't mix... Stupid people and boost don't mix.
It can happen.
- I think you are right in the past when you said that most people don't tend to push their cars on a regular basis. I would think that is even more true for people that use the car as their DD. When my car comes out of the garage it is going to be pushed HARD every time. That is what I built it for.
- I think you are right in the past when you said that most people don't tend to push their cars on a regular basis. I would think that is even more true for people that use the car as their DD. When my car comes out of the garage it is going to be pushed HARD every time. That is what I built it for.To have fun.
If I'm not going to have fun with it, I'd rather just leave it in. Too much work getting it out and cleaned up again only to fart around the area.
It's about going sideways or bust!
- I think you are right in the past when you said that most people don't tend to push their cars on a regular basis. I would think that is even more true for people that use the car as their DD. When my car comes out of the garage it is going to be pushed HARD every time. That is what I built it for.I agree at 7-10psi and part throttle pulls most engines would last forever. I just don't enjoy it staying out of the boost (not talking 10-12psi either) nothing gets the blood pumping like down shifting and the tires breaking loose at +50mph on the hiway. I built this car to be a school yard bully and it begs give out beat downs
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