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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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Default Anyone have a pic of a gutted oem or non-oem muffler? Is my ebay one restrictive?

I have a 3" nismo replica ebay exhaust on my car and I found this picture of my ebay muffler opened up:



Does this look like a very restrictive muffler for a Vortech setup aiming for 400whp?

Does anyone have a pic of the internals on an oem muffler? I have an oem muffler at home but I don't want to open it up if I don't have to.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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The thread you got the picture from says he runs 400whp
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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He removed the muffler and put a straight pipe on.

I found this pic:



Looks like the oem one is worse...
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:30 PM
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i dont see why you cant achieve 400whp with a vortech with that exhaust. Leave it alone, if you dont have one already get test pipes and an aftermarket ypipe (they sell one from ebay that mates to that one you have).

I have the same exhaust SRS with the ypipe and i love the sound. And i plan on getting a Vortech sometime this year.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:35 PM
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I already have megan racing long tube headers and Y pipe.

Looking at the pic of the ebay muffler, it seems that only the perforated tube in the center chamber will get the exhaust gases out...the rest is just for sound.

I dunno, I'm no muffler expert.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:51 PM
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i say ditch the exhaust and get a TD 2.35 to 2.5 inch exhaust and call it a day. But im no Fi expert :0(
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Old May 26, 2010 | 09:51 PM
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Hey this is cool! I've always wanted to see what that looked like when it's gutted.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 03:29 AM
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The cutaway photo is interesting. Thanks. Looks like it does what a muffler is designed to do.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 05:51 AM
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The picture in your original post is my work.

That muffler cut open (in the first post) is an ebay knock off Megan racing exhaust. The tubing is 3" diametre from the Y-pipe going in to the muffler.

My issue with it was boost not holding on spring pressure all the way to red line. The boost would drop off at 5000+rpm. I had removed the muffler and put a 2' piece of straight turbing in, and my boost stayed even all the way to red line. So the muffler did not flow well enough for that.

I put the muffler back on, got a BC and dialed it in until I had 8 psi to red line. The result was 402whp, with a quieter than stock exhaust.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance
The picture in your original post is my work.

That muffler cut open (in the first post) is an ebay knock off Megan racing exhaust. The tubing is 3" diametre from the Y-pipe going in to the muffler.

My issue with it was boost not holding on spring pressure all the way to red line. The boost would drop off at 5000+rpm. I had removed the muffler and put a 2' piece of straight turbing in, and my boost stayed even all the way to red line. So the muffler did not flow well enough for that.

I put the muffler back on, got a BC and dialed it in until I had 8 psi to red line. The result was 402whp, with a quieter than stock exhaust.
Hmmmm...so you got the 402whp with the muffler ON? That's the same exact exhaust I have.


Are ALL 1in/2out mufflers this way inside?
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:04 AM
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I made 769rwhp through the stock muffler modified to accept a 4in inlet, and first pipe within the muffler removed...
Bigger is better

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Old May 27, 2010 | 09:10 AM
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Bigger IS always better. Iv got a 3" in/out Dynomax Superturbo, which is supposed to flow pretty good, when i take out the muffler I gain about 2-3psi. Im willing to be with a 4" muffler I wont have that issue.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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sell that and get the X02. Should flow more and sound better and its cheap!
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The problem is that I don't want TOO much flow because S/C's need some backpressure ( and yes, I said backpressure...not velocity ) and I'm afraid an exhaust like the X02 will simply flow TOO much.
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I dunno. I had no exhaust on mine and it made 460/405 on the dynodynamics with >350 ft-lbs from 4250 til redline
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
I dunno. I had no exhaust on mine and it made 460/405 on the dynodynamics with >350 ft-lbs from 4250 til redline
I haven't had this car for all that long but when I had my Grand Prix's ( I've had two of them ) they would LOSE power if the exhaust was too free flowing...you would add a cat converter or something and boom...you got your power back.

As a matter of fact, I saw someone on this very forum who added a cat converter and he GAINED 30whp or something like that...can't rememeber who though.

It has to do with the overlap on the N/A cams that allows for unused fresh air to simply bypass the combustion chamber and go straight through the exhaust. Something that doesn't normally happen on N/A nor turbo cars.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 11:05 PM
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That was me...

https://my350z.com/forum/8386089-post1.html

I believe this only applies to Vortech and maybe other supercharger kits; there is a threshold where you start losing instead of gaining hp as you free up the exhaust, and where that point is I am unsure of (my setup uses ART Pipes with the single motordyne XYZ cat; its possible that I may lose hp if I went more restrictive with a standard dual cat setup...but I am definitely getting more power than with the straight pipe on the XYZ) ...

This definitely dosen't apply to N/A, according to Tony at Motordyne, as for turbos, I don't know but I would put my money on the less restictive the better on that setup as well...

Vortechs are just weird...


Originally Posted by GT-ER
As a matter of fact, I saw someone on this very forum who added a cat converter and he GAINED 30whp or something like that...can't rememeber who though.

Last edited by 350z006; May 28, 2010 at 08:08 AM.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 07:32 AM
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If you have the money to buy a Vortech, you should consider putting down money for a real exhaust(no replicas).
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Old May 28, 2010 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance
The picture in your original post is my work.

That muffler cut open (in the first post) is an ebay knock off Megan racing exhaust. The tubing is 3" diametre from the Y-pipe going in to the muffler.

My issue with it was boost not holding on spring pressure all the way to red line. The boost would drop off at 5000+rpm. I had removed the muffler and put a 2' piece of straight turbing in, and my boost stayed even all the way to red line. So the muffler did not flow well enough for that.

I put the muffler back on, got a BC and dialed it in until I had 8 psi to red line. The result was 402whp, with a quieter than stock exhaust.
BP, you're revolutionizing the world
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Old May 28, 2010 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Litesung
If you have the money to buy a Vortech, you should consider putting down money for a real exhaust(no replicas).
From what I've seen, my $300 exhaust is identical to Nismo's $1000+ exhaust....so how exactly does buying a "real" exhaust make sense? I could even change out the muffler to a high flow one and I'd still save a HUGE amount of money. Just because I have a vortech doesn't mean I like to throw away money.
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