Stillen Stage 2 Supercharger vs Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit
Thank you for your helpful insight.
If you really wanted to add value, you would have shared the knowledge your research and experience has provided you .... genius!
Thanks for doing nothing but clogging up the internet.
My turboed Z is the most reliable FI car I have ever had.
Turbos are generally maintenance/trouble free if taken care of properly. I agree with Doug about the research...if you researched your choices you'd see that there are chronic issues with theTturbonetics, and the Stillen stage2 (hell even stage 4) isn't going to get you 330whp.
Last edited by djamps; Sep 3, 2010 at 06:51 PM.
Sorry but I have to agree with Doug.
I think had my Stillen kit back in 2005. The only way to make it exciting was to add a 55 shot with the stage 4. Still not as fun as my TT now.
"Based on my research, and to keep our Z streetable without constantly working on it, and to add some HP without tearing into the internals, it looks like I should not push much beyond 400HP or approx. 325 -330 WHP."
Looks like ALL of your research was with Stillen. The "streetable" and "400HP" quote sounds like it came straight from the Stillen catalog.
I had tons of issues with the kit. Belts,belts,and more belts, Stillen pulley bearings, stock idler pulley bearings, killing my MAF, cam sensor wiring, SS box dying, IC water pump and on and on.
I think had my Stillen kit back in 2005. The only way to make it exciting was to add a 55 shot with the stage 4. Still not as fun as my TT now.
"Based on my research, and to keep our Z streetable without constantly working on it, and to add some HP without tearing into the internals, it looks like I should not push much beyond 400HP or approx. 325 -330 WHP."
Looks like ALL of your research was with Stillen. The "streetable" and "400HP" quote sounds like it came straight from the Stillen catalog.
I had tons of issues with the kit. Belts,belts,and more belts, Stillen pulley bearings, stock idler pulley bearings, killing my MAF, cam sensor wiring, SS box dying, IC water pump and on and on.
Thank you to all of you that provided useful feedback. It definitely points to not considering Stillen's S/C. I have contacted Boosted Performance and unfortunately, they do not make a kit for an automatic transmission. So, I al back to the drawing board. Any experiences with Vortech? I am not convinced I have to go S/C. But, I am not seeing a lot of turbo kits for an automatic, at a reasonable price.
If you go the route of the Turbonetics Single Turbo ensure you get the water cooled turbo, it has a lot less issues, the car I bought has the standard oil cooled turbo and it blows large blue clouds when shifting after full spool.
Just like everything else in life, it's all in perspective. A local shop I do work with builds engines all day long with TT and SC setups (only positive displacement supercharger tho, ei those like Stillen not Vortec). With the stillen kit you won't have boost lag, with any turbo kit you will. But it is easier to put down higher numbers with the Turbonetics single turbo kit than the Stillen SC kit.
Now, here is how I see it...there is a problem with the Stillen kit, the supercharger is more designed for a much smaller engine. So the blower has to work much harder and runs higher boost to produce the low numbers that it does produce. And from what I have heard Stillen fixed the baring issue and the belt issue also. If not you can also find a stronger belt, baring issues, no clue how to keep that from happening.
If you want a SC really bad, "custom" do everything and put on a Whipple
Now, here is how I see it...there is a problem with the Stillen kit, the supercharger is more designed for a much smaller engine. So the blower has to work much harder and runs higher boost to produce the low numbers that it does produce. And from what I have heard Stillen fixed the baring issue and the belt issue also. If not you can also find a stronger belt, baring issues, no clue how to keep that from happening.
If you want a SC really bad, "custom" do everything and put on a Whipple
If you did any research at all.. which you did not do.. you would have found threads where i provided evidence that the Stillen kit blew more motors with less than 330 whp than other kits did with over 400 whp..
its not about HP its about tuning and the ability to customize your tune.. which the Stillen can't offer.. you can act polite all day long and hope people are going to answer your questions.. personally i help those that help themselves.. and you've done nothing.. its not bullsht its the reality of the situation.. you don't like it.. read more
its not about HP its about tuning and the ability to customize your tune.. which the Stillen can't offer.. you can act polite all day long and hope people are going to answer your questions.. personally i help those that help themselves.. and you've done nothing.. its not bullsht its the reality of the situation.. you don't like it.. read more
Joe
Last edited by BoostedTreeFity; Sep 7, 2010 at 07:37 AM.
thsi thread need "dream thread tag alert"
OP, go with stillen kit.....they were offering disney tickets with a purchase of one
OP, go with stillen kit.....they were offering disney tickets with a purchase of one
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Sep 7, 2010 at 08:22 AM.
The watercooled turbos will have 2 3/8" high pressure lines feeding and returning from the turbo aside from the required oil line which in my opinion isn't there to do any cooling just lubrication. I do believe the current kits are all watercooled due to this common parasitic problem. I'm not posative on this as I'm pretty new to these cars myself but I have dealt with alot of turbo 4 and inline 6's as well as my own turbo diesel
Joe
Joe
If you did any research at all.. which you did not do.. you would have found threads where i provided evidence that the Stillen kit blew more motors with less than 330 whp than other kits did with over 400 whp..
its not about HP its about tuning and the ability to customize your tune.. which the Stillen can't offer.. you can act polite all day long and hope people are going to answer your questions.. personally i help those that help themselves.. and you've done nothing.. its not bullsht its the reality of the situation.. you don't like it.. read more
its not about HP its about tuning and the ability to customize your tune.. which the Stillen can't offer.. you can act polite all day long and hope people are going to answer your questions.. personally i help those that help themselves.. and you've done nothing.. its not bullsht its the reality of the situation.. you don't like it.. read more
But Doug is back and let the party get started............woooooohooooo.
Last edited by superchargedg; Sep 7, 2010 at 02:50 PM.
You might want to rethink that post guy. The Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit is alive and well. It underwent a major revision and was switched to a liquid cooled unit over the old plain turbo which I have on my 350Z. The problem with the kit WAS the turbo itself got too hot and the intercooler had no sheilding from the turbo, especially the cooler to throttle body pipe which runs 3" above the turbo. Go ahead and flame me for being a Noob but I have a 350Z with the kit you THINK you know something about, Do your research.


