What has happened to the FI forum.
My wife, who is a nurse, woke me up the other morning when she got home from work and said "Honey, we need to have babies, like at least 120 babies... stupid people are reproducing quicker than smart people."
This is obviously a scientific fact that is only supported by further evidence online. Everything online is true... even stupidity...
This is obviously a scientific fact that is only supported by further evidence online. Everything online is true... even stupidity...
I deleted an already long post I had made once I saw the lulz from albetos vids.
I must say though...to rich that doesn't get all his facts str8 or just selective...rich you first agree that rude has more inside knowledge of pl decisions...then you try correct him on 76S??? Lol...listen..sniperz was a relatively capable diyer..much better than you or what you see avg here..and still over complained on an issue nobody else had installing the piping. And that was a 3" pipe. Never mind all the unnecessary drama and peanutt from "friends" of threatened shops that had manage to convince peeps that 500-550whp is all you need even if you deep into a 20k+ build
I must say though...to rich that doesn't get all his facts str8 or just selective...rich you first agree that rude has more inside knowledge of pl decisions...then you try correct him on 76S??? Lol...listen..sniperz was a relatively capable diyer..much better than you or what you see avg here..and still over complained on an issue nobody else had installing the piping. And that was a 3" pipe. Never mind all the unnecessary drama and peanutt from "friends" of threatened shops that had manage to convince peeps that 500-550whp is all you need even if you deep into a 20k+ build
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Dec 26, 2010 at 04:59 PM.
My wife, who is a nurse, woke me up the other morning when she got home from work and said "Honey, we need to have babies, like at least 120 babies... stupid people are reproducing quicker than smart people."
This is obviously a scientific fact that is only supported by further evidence online. Everything online is true... even stupidity...
This is obviously a scientific fact that is only supported by further evidence online. Everything online is true... even stupidity...
imaybe there needs to be more hands on experiences on this forum, or maybe theres not alot documented by the diy guys. i personally know aside from myself 2 guys in my area alone (quamen and eltness 350) who have literally built there z's themselves. to me, that sells itself.
I have built my car myself, one of the things I noticed in doing this no shop will give out any advice and I did buy alot of parts from a couple shops. The big shops never wanted to give any advice even though i bought a ton of parts from some of them if they were not doing the build it seemed advice was near impossible to come by luckily a few OG members helped with advice when I needed it and Jim Wolf himself has always had time for my questions and has given a ton of help and advice.
My next engine I will build in its entirety in my garage or my buddies garage(due to no space in mine) the only thing holding me back is a brutal work schedule(days off are very rare lately) I planned on documenting more but my story has not really been a success story(AEBS sleeves victim) to brag about.
I can see why DIY is not common practice it is a b1tch of a car to work on when I had time I didn't mind, but these cars seem to be more time consuming to build yourself than other platforms I have owned. I was going to do a full DIY on pulling the engine and installing the TT kit but it is a major PITA usually it is me and one other guy (red35) doing the wrenching so to run a camera when you're covered in grease & oil sucks and it was slowing us down alot I tried to do it but soon gave up, my photobucket does have lots of pictures but not enough to write a comprehensive DIY. I do certainly try to help out others if a PM comes my way.
I honestly think one of the issues with this platform growing is the lack of willingness to put info out there. The shops all seem to guard their secrets and the guys that do know are bombarded with mindless questions that **** them off till they stop replying to PMs. I have never had an issues getting responses from guys I PM but I tend to only ask questions when i am really stumped but guys like Alberto, Raj, XKR, Rich,Cass and Romey have been a great help when i have had questions and it is guys like that will help us to grow. Unfortunately i see them online less and less and not alot of knowledgeable guys coming along to take their place. The shop vs shop thing as well as shop supporter vs shop supporter thing and all of the parasite shops we have had certainly did some damage to our advancement and even interest in FI.
Out side of engine swaps what is next for our platform as far as FI goes...more DIY is all i can really see. Hopefully if Cass and I ever get our cars sorted out we can show that the VIPEC is another reliable ECU so we have another option in that aspect but as already stated most of the turbo kits out there meet the requirements of 98% of the enthusiasts fuel systems may change as E85 becomes more readily available. The people that are new to the platform seem to be more concerned with how low they can slam the car, and who can get the 12" wide rims to stick out the fenders the farthest while running 255mm tires on them
have we peaked 
Last edited by Sylvan Lake V35; Dec 27, 2010 at 08:49 AM.
Jorge, with the upmost respect cuz we've never had issue, of course I do. because PL was selling the 76s as a kit at the time of their original posts. If they could fit it on their car, why cant a copy fit on another car???? Snyper has a LS2 88mm on his car now. Obviously he has spent time (dunno how you can assume he is more capable than i am ) so if he had problems fitting a PL kit, i can imagine that layman has problems as well.
I could give a f' less about the peanut gallery. I wanted a 76+mm single kit for my car. I wanted a 1k+ whp car for the strip. PL said they werent interested even though Intense made numerous thread about their "record" holding G35. Then why advertise it? Money certainly wasnt an issue, but I certainly wasnt shipping my car 1/2 way across the US to put pipes on the car. Thats my issue. Anyone can do a 1 off, but for a forum vendor to keep saying its an option to the standard kit when thats a bold face lie, is where I have a problem.
Its been 2 years since that 76s release. If you have this kit on your car, why not contribute to this forums growth by detailing its build??? Isnt that what this threads about? Done with the secrecy, on to the open expression of the project.. It's sad that 2 to 4 years ago a company made a big single kit, yet here it is amost 2011 and they stil cant refine it enough for mass market.
Like others have said, the vendors have given up, so there's nothing to look forward to. Perfect example
Myself with Forged Performance, Cass, Gord and the rest of the bunch will have plenty to contribute in 2011. Lets change the VQ world!
) so if he had problems fitting a PL kit, i can imagine that layman has problems as well.I could give a f' less about the peanut gallery. I wanted a 76+mm single kit for my car. I wanted a 1k+ whp car for the strip. PL said they werent interested even though Intense made numerous thread about their "record" holding G35. Then why advertise it? Money certainly wasnt an issue, but I certainly wasnt shipping my car 1/2 way across the US to put pipes on the car. Thats my issue. Anyone can do a 1 off, but for a forum vendor to keep saying its an option to the standard kit when thats a bold face lie, is where I have a problem.
Its been 2 years since that 76s release. If you have this kit on your car, why not contribute to this forums growth by detailing its build??? Isnt that what this threads about? Done with the secrecy, on to the open expression of the project.. It's sad that 2 to 4 years ago a company made a big single kit, yet here it is amost 2011 and they stil cant refine it enough for mass market.
Like others have said, the vendors have given up, so there's nothing to look forward to. Perfect example
Myself with Forged Performance, Cass, Gord and the rest of the bunch will have plenty to contribute in 2011. Lets change the VQ world!
I deleted an already long post I had made once I saw the lulz from albetos vids.
I must say though...to rich that doesn't get all his facts str8 or just selective...rich you first agree that rude has more inside knowledge of pl decisions...then you try correct him on 76S??? Lol...listen..sniperz was a relatively capable diyer..much better than you or what you see avg here..and still over complained on an issue nobody else had installing the piping. And that was a 3" pipe. Never mind all the unnecessary drama and peanutt from "friends" of threatened shops that had manage to convince peeps that 500-550whp is all you need even if you deep into a 20k+ build
I must say though...to rich that doesn't get all his facts str8 or just selective...rich you first agree that rude has more inside knowledge of pl decisions...then you try correct him on 76S??? Lol...listen..sniperz was a relatively capable diyer..much better than you or what you see avg here..and still over complained on an issue nobody else had installing the piping. And that was a 3" pipe. Never mind all the unnecessary drama and peanutt from "friends" of threatened shops that had manage to convince peeps that 500-550whp is all you need even if you deep into a 20k+ build
Last edited by str8dum1; Dec 26, 2010 at 09:08 PM.
Its not a lie.. They will build a 76 for anyone who ships the car...its an option
...if it was a simple 1off or just putting pipes we wouldn't have this convo. Example, SP has Jason of their top end kit shipped and the builder did a crap job putting it together or just blamed it then on the kit; sp has no issues, its happened to many. That plus the stupid drama you don't care and they just decided to ensure quality control, specially with many scare stories from bubble shops as rude calls them.
They will do it in house only...Plenty of people have shipped their cara to a far location to have it build like with your runner so its no such a stretch as you think.
The option is there, you just didn't like it and decided to go a different route. Don't make it seem like they make stuff up that its "not available". If I don't post on my build its cause I don't have the time and I'm tired of the forums bs and decided it wasn't worth it. Hopefully e85 tune will be done soon with new injector, it hasn't been my priority
the kit can be refined, not sure where really but either way fitment isn't going to be a issue and prevents from being a drop-in kit. Most companies here see the same small builds and very few willing to take the plunge... Business wise it makes perfect sense to me, they are also focusing on platforms where they don't see the self pussification. It's really up to customers, not the shop, all record breaking build by intense were on customers willing to push it...you claim to be one, I can expect that, but as rude said, on the vq you can count them with with your hand...very few. Supras got to where they got with deeper pocket customers willing to sacrifice many engines along the way.
You also don't see intense posting much because of stupid strawman comments or peanutts(like other thread, they just want no part of it. Despite the half *** call out attempts...i only posted there since I was also called out.
...if it was a simple 1off or just putting pipes we wouldn't have this convo. Example, SP has Jason of their top end kit shipped and the builder did a crap job putting it together or just blamed it then on the kit; sp has no issues, its happened to many. That plus the stupid drama you don't care and they just decided to ensure quality control, specially with many scare stories from bubble shops as rude calls them.
They will do it in house only...Plenty of people have shipped their cara to a far location to have it build like with your runner so its no such a stretch as you think.
The option is there, you just didn't like it and decided to go a different route. Don't make it seem like they make stuff up that its "not available". If I don't post on my build its cause I don't have the time and I'm tired of the forums bs and decided it wasn't worth it. Hopefully e85 tune will be done soon with new injector, it hasn't been my priority
the kit can be refined, not sure where really but either way fitment isn't going to be a issue and prevents from being a drop-in kit. Most companies here see the same small builds and very few willing to take the plunge... Business wise it makes perfect sense to me, they are also focusing on platforms where they don't see the self pussification. It's really up to customers, not the shop, all record breaking build by intense were on customers willing to push it...you claim to be one, I can expect that, but as rude said, on the vq you can count them with with your hand...very few. Supras got to where they got with deeper pocket customers willing to sacrifice many engines along the way.
You also don't see intense posting much because of stupid strawman comments or peanutts(like other thread, they just want no part of it. Despite the half *** call out attempts...i only posted there since I was also called out.
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Dec 26, 2010 at 11:45 PM.
Jorge, with the upmost respect cuz we've never had issue, of course I do. because PL was selling the 76s as a kit at the time of their original posts. If they could fit it on their car, why cant a copy fit on another car???? Snyper has a LS2 88mm on his car now. Obviously he has spent time (dunno how you can assume he is more capable than i am ) so if he had problems fitting a PL kit, i can imagine that layman has problems as well.
I could give a f' less about the peanut gallery. I wanted a 76+mm single kit for my car. I wanted a 1k+ whp car for the strip. PL said they werent interested even though Intense made numerous thread about their "record" holding G35. Then why advertise it? Money certainly wasnt an issue, but I certainly wasnt shipping my car 1/2 way across the US to put pipes on the car. Thats my issue. Anyone can do a 1 off, but for a forum vendor to keep saying its an option to the standard kit when thats a bold face lie, is where I have a problem.
Its been 2 years since that 76s release. If you have this kit on your car, why not contribute to this forums growth by detailing its build??? Isnt that what this threads about? Done with the secrecy, on to the open expression of the project.. It's sad that 2 to 4 years ago a company made a big single kit, yet here it is amost 2011 and they stil cant refine it enough for mass market.
Like others have said, the vendors have given up, so there's nothing to look forward to. Perfect example
Myself with Forged Performance, Cass, Gord and the rest of the bunch will have plenty to contribute in 2011. Lets change the VQ world!
) so if he had problems fitting a PL kit, i can imagine that layman has problems as well.I could give a f' less about the peanut gallery. I wanted a 76+mm single kit for my car. I wanted a 1k+ whp car for the strip. PL said they werent interested even though Intense made numerous thread about their "record" holding G35. Then why advertise it? Money certainly wasnt an issue, but I certainly wasnt shipping my car 1/2 way across the US to put pipes on the car. Thats my issue. Anyone can do a 1 off, but for a forum vendor to keep saying its an option to the standard kit when thats a bold face lie, is where I have a problem.
Its been 2 years since that 76s release. If you have this kit on your car, why not contribute to this forums growth by detailing its build??? Isnt that what this threads about? Done with the secrecy, on to the open expression of the project.. It's sad that 2 to 4 years ago a company made a big single kit, yet here it is amost 2011 and they stil cant refine it enough for mass market.
Like others have said, the vendors have given up, so there's nothing to look forward to. Perfect example
Myself with Forged Performance, Cass, Gord and the rest of the bunch will have plenty to contribute in 2011. Lets change the VQ world!
Yet again you continue with the spin, accusations of lies & deceit, and petty jabs.
The truth is you have had issues with Jorge, me, Intense, and PowerLab for years now. You have a well documented post history on here of taking jabs at Intense since shortly after you joined this site and you were recently involved in a petty attempt by the peanut gallery to stir drama in an Intense related thread in which both Jorge and I were also called out personally.
Why admit that I have more insight than you about PowerLab's decisions and then be dismissive of what I say???
I explained to you why PowerLab changed their minds about releasing the 76S version of the kit to other dealers and the general public... yet you continue with this BS. Also, they were not yet selling it at the time of their original posts. They were announcing it and showing it's results with serious intentions to offer it as a kit if they got sufficient interest and customer demand from the community. But then the drama threads happened shortly thereafter with the usual forum rivals taking opportunistic shots to attempt to discredit both Intense as a shop/vendor and PowerLab's product... and the rest is history. Yes, it is a shame.
I also would have liked to see a broader release of the 76S kit to other dealers and the general public. But it is what it is. Blame the cannibalistic culture here in the FI section of my350z in which shop/product rivalries, loyalties, and malicious attempts to discredit competition often take precedence over the truth and betterment of the VQ community as a whole. PowerLab may not be offering the 76S kit on your terms, but the kit is available to those who send their cars to Intense for the install. Again, I've already explained this. And again... it is what it is.So are we done beating this dead horse Rich?
FYI... Jorge and I will also have plenty to contribute in 2011 with both of our cars, including detailed build threads.
Furthermore, my build is a positive example of shops cooperating together with the customer to accomplish something that hasn't been done before on the VQ platform.
When my car is introduced to the community, I intend to give full credit to the two other shops that provided valuable consultation and parts to help make my build possible.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Dec 27, 2010 at 02:06 AM.
I keep seeing a big name shop referenced in here who I have experience with, and I can tell you, the secrets, the way they hide $hit-they ask customers to not post about their issues, the current law suits, they arent helping anybody but themselves. The way they claim they run cars hard and can build track AND street car combos (thats the funniest one to me), but get down on customers who actually drive their cars, fawk that hypocrisy!
The Honda kids have discovered the VQ...it's all over now.
oh god and here i thought that damn decal looked like crap on 3rd gen firebirds =/ (or worse camaros) i cant wait till after my deployment so i can do things right to mine =/(getting shopping list ready for wife now so she can order it right before i get back lol) it could be worse at work theres someone who drives a 300zx n/a around with skyline emblems. thank god hes in a different company then me though
I keep seeing a big name shop referenced in here who I have experience with, and I can tell you, the secrets, the way they hide $hit-they ask customers to not post about their issues, the current law suits, they arent helping anybody but themselves. The way they claim they run cars hard and can build track AND street car combos (thats the funniest one to me), but get down on customers who actually drive their cars, fawk that hypocrisy!
i refuse to pay a shop for that reason alone. its not that im overly picky about my car, its just a way of doing things. if something happens the error is on me and i learn vs. having something happen and me being pissed off with a shop, and have no idea what the problem or multiple problems could be. also it seems a bit ridiculous that not only am i going to pay this person to do what i can, but they probably arent going to do it to my expectations anyway.
Last edited by bbs350z; Dec 28, 2010 at 09:59 AM.
the horse is beaten. I've had numerous poor business interactions with Intense in which all respect for their business is gone. That simple, you cant please everyone. moving on...
looking forward to your build threads, its been a long time in the making. my version2 stroked,cammed, E85 setup will be on the road soon as well.
FYI... Jorge and I will also have plenty to contribute in 2011 with both of our cars, including detailed build threads.
Furthermore, my build is a positive example of shops cooperating together with the customer to accomplish something that hasn't been done before on the VQ platform. When my car is introduced to the community, I intend to give full credit to the two other shops that provided valuable consultation and parts to help make my build possible.
looking forward to your build threads, its been a long time in the making.
my version2 stroked,cammed, E85 setup will be on the road soon as well.FYI... Jorge and I will also have plenty to contribute in 2011 with both of our cars, including detailed build threads.
Furthermore, my build is a positive example of shops cooperating together with the customer to accomplish something that hasn't been done before on the VQ platform.
When my car is introduced to the community, I intend to give full credit to the two other shops that provided valuable consultation and parts to help make my build possible.
the horse is beaten. I've had numerous poor business interactions with Intense in which all respect for their business is gone. That simple, you cant please everyone. moving on...
looking forward to your build threads, its been a long time in the making. my version2 stroked,cammed, E85 setup will be on the road soon as well.
looking forward to your build threads, its been a long time in the making.
my version2 stroked,cammed, E85 setup will be on the road soon as well.
You're right; you can't please everyone. So let's leave it at that and move forward rather than rekindle old (and nonproductive) shop wars.I look forward to seeing the results of your "version 2" stroker setup.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Dec 28, 2010 at 04:42 PM.