Come on really? Hiding behind a keyboard.. That was discussed on page 1

 

Vince is probably the most experienced here to answer this question...

Is it possible this car was boosted on a stock tune for a year without giving DTC codes related to abnormal airflow?

 

damn sorry to hear OP... Never was a fan of PM, I tried to get my car tuned there back when i had the turbo, and they warned me it would blow on the dyne and there customer service sucks.imo. I was also on 800cc DW inj.

I think the first 800cc vince tuned for the uprev was on my Z and he did a great job on it. He scaled them perfect and then mastered the map.. bet its the same base map

 

still not discussed why they are not going down there now if they feel they got scammed.

this thread started out as a FYI thread but has evolved into a call-out thread. If the OP really wants an answer/refund/etc drive down and get one.

No one on this forum can contribute anything more, as you guys have said, we werent there.

You guys made you case, so now if you want it resolved further than just saying you got a good tune by Vince, drive down to PM and get it solved.

 

But see phunk, thats where ur wrong..

The specifics on the injectors doesn't matter... This wasn't a where did the little piece from my injectors go thread... pm effed up get em..

This is to warn others that PM does practice shady business procedures...

So the fact that Vince chimed in and basically repeated Wat has already been said now convinced u that there is credibility in the story?

I appreciate Vince coming in to clarify things for u and the rest of the community... Now where do we go from here?

 

I hear u man u make good points.. At this time tho, I think Russell had stated he wants to put this all behind him n move on... There really is no reason to go to the place of business like some dam fool n cause trouble for either side of this issue..

I think enough damage has been done, as this was merely to inform others and if pm wanted to jump in they would have...

Lock thread!

 

If this story is false, as a shop owner or employee, wouldn't you come in here and defend yourself and clear your name of this mess? It's a small world and don't tell me that they don't know about this thread either

 

No, not a lot has changed from him chiming in. He clarified the injector story 100% so that is all sorted out, and that is good. Regardless if that was a primary topic of the thread or not, it became one when the OP was basically claiming everyone is forcing him to buy new injectors when he doesnt have to... now we know why he had to buy new injectors at both tune sessions, and we can decide individually if this was appropriate or not.

As for the license, nothing has been clarified on that yet, and quite possibly never will be. Its nice that Vince chimed in and said the license was gone when the car got to him, but we already all knew that. What we dont know is why it was gone and the arguement is about if PM gave the car a license to begin with or not. If the car arrived at Vinces shop the day after PM and it said it had no license, it would be easier to tell. But this is a year later, and the fact that its a year later, is what makes some of us believe there is something missing from this story.

 

I think there should be a discussion about the possibilities of a MAF voltage code.

I do not have experience with the HR and MAF voltage related DTCs.

But, I would assume that the ECU would throw a DTC code for too much MAF voltage if you were running around boosted on a completely stock tune and no piggyback with a voltage clamp on the MAF circuit. LOL are you sure this car doesnt have an emanage tucked under the dash and thats what PM tuned?

 

Str8Dumb..
Didn't you read he wasn't going over to PM and at this point he doesn't want anything from them...did you read that?? The purpose of the tread is to make ppl aware so the can decide weather they want to do business with PM

 

Uprev has no ability to clamp MAF voltage. Tune or not he would throw codes. And as you already figured out he has an HR which doesn't need clamping for his power level.

 

Positive. No eManage here. lol.

 

Of course it doesn't clamp, clamps are for fooling a stock ecu with piggyback setups... A reflash car will never need a clamp at any airflow level. And on a properly tuned flash you should experience no MAF codes, I certainly don't have any. But I think on a stock flash the airflow levels in boost, even without maxing the MAFs, would give some type of code. Many cars do, but I never tried a stock tune with boost on the 350 so I'm trying to find out

 

Finally home in front of my laptop...
He's not looking for them to pay him monet back, or re-tune the car for free..He was jus informing others that may decide to go to PM wat his experience was with them... The fact that they have not chimed in gives more validity to the story that they just dont GIVE A ****! as others have stated. To "bash" a shop for pissy customer service isnt a crime, its informative at the least...

Hopefully this thread is found long after its locked and some guy who was thinking about building his car over there reads it and decides he isnt gonna chance losing his hard earned money to a shop who puts, in some cases noted here the customer last!

As for the codes, and any CEL's he may have seen he thought the car was efffed up from the beginning as he stated but couldnt get an appointment for them to make any changes..

Is it his fault that he didnt take it back to them?

No, not if they arent taking his calls......

In the end he did business with a reputable shop and the car is doing fine...

 

I understand this perspective and do not debate it at all. Often times, different customers get completely different customer service from the same place. Some businesses are always bad, some are occasionally bad. The OP reserves every single right to his feelings about his customer service experience there, no one can argue with how he feels about that.

My whole purpose here was to defend PM against accusations of fraud, which is an entirely different topic than a bad customer service experience! That is why I wanted to get to the bottom of the injector situations, and why I have been trying to figure other options aside from them completely lying about putting a license in the car. I have nothing to gain by defending them... while I do business with them, these accusations would have never effected me much if at all... because if someone wants my parts they will get it from whoever they choose. If anything, being in this thread is hurting me a little, but I chose to stand in their defense simply because they have always been extremely great to deal with, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and believe there is a mistake made somewhere along the line. I would hope that if someone were attacking me, people that know me better would come to my defense as well.

 

You say your purpose was to defend PM against accusations of fraud,but my question is how can you prove the tune was install in the first place?

while I do business with them, these accusations would have never effected me much if at all...

Not true....it may be on a small scale but what about that customer that my need to upgrade their fuel system and the were going to purchase it from PM who purchases it from you.
If anything, being in this thread is hurting me a little.
I think it has...One of the keys to a Successful busniess is word of mouth.

 

I cannot PROVE it, nobody can. That is quite obvious here. But we have no proof that they never flashed the ECU either. All we know is that Vince's laptop indicated to him that it was gone. While we cannot explain how the license was gone if it was ever there to begin with, there are still reasons to believe that it must have had it at some point.

If a customer wants our fuel system and doesnt want to buy it from PM, they would just buy it from someone else. So no, I do not agree with you at all, and I am not worried or concerned at all how this thread has, did, will, could, or might effect my sales. My products, business, and customer service have nothing to do with this thread. If there is someone who decides not to buy something of mine because they dont like me giving PM the benefit of the doubt, too bad for them!

 

Hey man no hard feeling, I dont kno u but Im sure ur a knowledgeable guy.. I like ur work!! Not taking that away from u...

If someone was to bash u ,U have my word Id come to defend jus the same anytime brother.....

In all honesty the best post that Ive seen was wen u theorized what might have happened.. Till that point no one had a clue...

The best answer in all honesty is that possibly PM flashed it back to stock shortly before pulling it off the dyno...

But y not take the car for a ride, n check out driveability. They would have seen it immediately running rich, then plugged in live and saw what was going on.. Perhaps made a few pulls to see how the power came on??? I dont kno jus a thought...

Dont most tuners test drive the vehicles after putting their stamp on it?

I kno I dont leave a house after installing a toilet without flushing it !

And I kno they drove the car cause somebody had to leave it in the parking lot with the keys dashed under it, then call Russel n tell him ur car is in the lot come get it wen u want!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us,,, Id swear if I didnt kno u had a relationship with them Id think u were talking in this thread for them

Seriously we all appreciate the input from you and others who have taken the time out to get involved...

 

Not to bad for them...to bad for you. To my knowledge CJ Motorsports is not the only one selling fuel systems. Thank god for the Internet!

 

no.. actually.. its too bad for.... YOU

i just blew your mind.

But youre right, theres always AAM, theres ebay, and theres GTM copies of our parts. Go ahead and choose freely If someone was going to buy ours, I dont think they would change their mind because I, without substancial evidence of fraud, will give PM the benefit of doubt. I cannot make any guarentees about what happened one way or the other, just trying to make sense of it all.